Ricky Jones Cleared

[DancingFerret]

Unbelievable (but not unexpected).

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-15003437/Labour-councillor-cleared-cutting-throats-comment-rally.html

You said:

Does anyone else think that Connelly might actually make lots of money now? I kind of hope she does , just to kick Labour in the teeth !

I have no idea why anyone would want someone convicted of inciting racial hatred and endangering life, to makes lots of money out of it. People tried to burn asylum seekers alive a few days later. She had a history of racist posts, said she'd play the 'mental health card', thought her post going viral was funny and didn't believe that she'd done anything wrong. I find her utterly repellent.

Jones apologised, said he made an off the cuff remark he didn't mean and was found not guilty. There were no violent consequences to his remarks. He shouldn't have said it and it's right if he's no longer an MP.

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. You sound as if you know her personally. If everyone who made racist comments were to be tried the courts would be rammed with folk of every creed and colour. You give the impression that you're excusing Jones' foul behaviour. What he did was to try to whip up a crowd and suggested they cut throats of those who were rioting because 3 children had been literally hacked to death and others left with injuries they'll carry for life. People were enraged and appalled. Its a normal human reaction to slaughter of children. . Jones used the NF stickers as a reason apparently....I'm still wondering if these stickers were ever proven to have been put wherever by the NF. Haven't heard about them for years and years. However Jones said he heard about them and took someone's word I imagine. He realised he'd gone too far and apologised as did Connolly. If anyone truly thinks that the rioters were rioting because of what LC wrote on X then you're deluded. They didn't need anyone to suggest they riot. LC has been made an example of by Starmer's mates and please don't try to tell me that Starmer's prints weren't all over the rapid sentencing last year. He came on TV and couldn't contain his anger and told us all what was going to happen. IMO Jones should have had the courage of his convictions, pleaded guilty and faced the music. He's a coward but he's a shrewd one. He's walking free.

Ddi you feel the same about Cameron's prints in 2011?

Rapid sentencing during riots is not a new concept

What's that got to do with the sentencing last year? There's always whataboutery that's brought into a discussion. I'm talking about Starmer last year.

What would you have liked Starmer to have done instead?

It’s not whataboutery to compare two prime ministers’ virtually identical handling of virtually identical events. It’s entirely legitimate.

I'm giving my opinion. I'm not getting into a.long protracted " but what about this, that and the other riot". I'm giving my thoughts on RJ and LC and the convictions. My opinion for you to like or lump.

Unlike many I've read the court sentencing remarks for Connolly, therefore am aware of her behaviour and why she got the sentence she did. You are minimising what she did perhaps because you agree with her, who knows.

She wasn't imprisoned for making racist remarks, she was imprisoned for inciting racial hatred and endangering life. The riots were sparked by lies doing the rounds on social media and inflamed by comments such as Connolly's. If you don't believe that what people write on social media has an influence then it's you who's deluded.

Its a normal human reaction to slaughter of children

Here are the bones of the situation. You believe that racist comments where a whole group of people are blamed and threats made to their lives is a 'normal human reaction' and I think it's the mark of a crazed loon. Civilised people don't behave that way.

You give the impression that you're excusing Jones' foul behaviour.

No I don't:

He shouldn't have said it and it's right if he's no longer an MP.

I have given no excuse for his behaviour unlike you and Connolly.

Here are the NF stickers.

LC has been made an example of by Starmer's mates and please don't try to tell me that Starmer's prints weren't all over the rapid sentencing last year.

Starmer did what he had to do to stop rioting which was endangering lives. Connolly got the sentence in line with the crime she pleaded guilty to. The sentencing guidelines are freely available if you're not too bone idle to check. However I'm sure nothing will change your mind about two tier conspiracy theories and idolisation of vile racists.

Jones was found innocent by a jury and you'll have to suck it up.

I thought he shouldn't have said it. A jury found him not guilty of whatever the charge was. British justice, he took a gamble on pleading not guilty and he won, I think it was a big gamble but it paid off in this case. She didn't take the gamble of risking a longer sentence and got the entirely predicted i.e. guilty with custodial sentence.

Look at the difference in language in the post I've quoted you on above. Your description of LC and RJ couldn't be more different. I can't see any other posters on MN rn defending Jones as you are. It may be subconscious, but its definitely there.
You absolutely are providing excuses and justification for RJ, but not for LC. She is 'repellent', he 'made an off the cuff remark', to give an example. It is crystal clear that you see Jones in a different light to Connolly. Just own it.

Whether the stickers exist or not, he called for people's throats to be cut fgs. He is absolutely in the same league as LC, worse in my eyes as he also drew his finger across his throat on camera, but perhaps you care less about Jones' target for hatred than Connolly's.

And Jones is not an MP.

@MiloMinderbinder925 you have minimised RJ’s actions.

And talking about social media: do you not think that footage of him talking about slitting throats might just have ended up on sm too? And viewed by impressionable people?

Sorry @TheNuthatch , crossposted.

Sorry @TheNuthatch , crossposted.

I am not defending Jones, I very clearly say that he shouldn't have done it and offer absolutely no excuse whatsoever for his behaviour. Jones was found not guilty of encouraging violent behaviour and I have given some potential reasons behind the jury's decision.

Where have I minimised Jones' rhetoric?

You haven't

So, what ? You want a retrial ?

RJ couldn't take back the words he had spoken.

LC could have deleted her tweets a lot faster

Whether the stickers exist or not, he called for people's throats to be cut fgs.

And yet - before a jury who had the law clearly explained to them by a judge (unlike any poster here) decided he had not committed a criminal offence.

If that's your stance, Jones should now have his suspension lifted and be welcomed back to the Labour Party.
He has after all committed no criminal offence, been found not guilty by a jury of his peers, therefore he's an innocent man. Why should the poor lamb lose his job aswell?

Yet Connolly pleaded guilty and her fans sent her 250k. Posters here want her to make lots of money out of her crimes:

Does anyone else think that Connelly might actually make lots of money now? I kind of hope she does

Judge Melbourne Inman said of Connolly: “You intended to incite serious violence. What you did encouraged activity which threatened or endangered life.”

Deflection which has no bearing on the post you quoted.

You don't have an answer.

If that's your stance, Jones should now have his suspension lifted and be welcomed back to the Labour Party.

If you RTFT you'd know my stance.

Jones being found not guilty by a jury doesn't mean he did not do what he was accused of. He did, and personally I find it unbecoming in someone who seeks public office, and would rather they were not a member of a party I was (which I am not. I don't belong to any party).

Despite working in computers for over 2/3rds of my life, I still fail to think in binary and am capable of holding many many differing views in one place.

So no, I am not thinking he should be readmitted to the Labour party. He's probably much better suited to Reform who like actual convicted criminals as MPs.