Will you make it to Heaven? Cont.

[VincitVeritas1]

Feel free to join me in a discussion about Heaven according to the Holy Bible/ Christianity in general.

Am an open minded person but not wasting time ‘looking’.

Interesting- how would you seek to apply that in the current discussion?

I usually can’t bring myself to look at that part of Corinthians since my sister in law, given free rein decided to read that at my wedding!!!!!! I mean fucking hell!!

Might not be religious but our local church is a lovely building - Notre-Dame de Québec Basilica-Cathedral. We take visitors to the light shows.

@Kdtym10,

Interesting- how would you seek to apply that in the current discussion?

Just that, like God is so beyond our complete understanding, in this life, so is a complete understanding of Jesus/ The Bible in its entirety. As you said yourself:

Multiple layers to unravel

Sorry - should add, those were my rambled ponderings on a Tuesday afternoon- would need to consider this more.

But I think you’re saying, does the Bible tell us everything we need to know about God. I would say yes and no!

Your sister in law seemed to be likening your marriage to the supremely powerful, marvellous and mysterious aspect of God..😉😃 I don't know her, even if she thought she was being critical it's a fantastic compliment! 😁

And the promise of Corinthians 13:12 should be a good one for those who seek unity with God. 🙂

And in marriage it means you will get to know each other more intimately in the marriage union.

Only if you don't perceive evidence from any of the raw data in this life.

I don't perceive any 'raw' data despite being a very open minded curious person.

Where is this raw data hidden?

And why would a God make himself so difficult to find, if he exists?

@sunflowerpinks

Where is this raw data hidden

In everything.

And why would a God make himself so difficult to find, if he exists?

I don't think He is so difficult to find.

So, if God is unknowable how can we know whether his fullness is contained in the Bible? - your original question.

oh I don’t think my sister in law was being critical at all, loads of people latch onto the repeated use of the word love and roll out Corinthians 12 at weddings. It’s more the context of a cult leader that I object to. I’m not a fan of Paul. - actually that’s not completely true. I just don’t think he had the authority he claimed to have - I suspect he was a bit of a charlatan. Not someone you want quoted at your wedding

You’re looking in the wrong place. Or maybe the right place from the wrong angle

In everything

Why can most people not see it, even if they are open minded and curious?

You’re looking in the wrong place. Or maybe the right place from the wrong angle

Why would God not reveal himself to so many people? People like me who are open minded and genuinely curious?

Because of this

”I don’t perceive any 'raw' data despite being a very open minded curious person.

Where is this raw data hidden?”

You’ll never feel the mountain breeze standing in Hammersmith if you only look for the physical.

I’m not a fan of Paul. - actually that’s not completely true. I just don’t think he had the authority he claimed to have - I suspect he was a bit of a charlatan. Not someone you want quoted at your wedding

@Kdtym10, I think it's important to let yourself be surprised by God and who He works through. Too many people think they have the measure of someone else, erroneously.

Oh I’ve read and studied Paul. You’d be surprised who the devil works through too!

So, if God is unknowable how can we know whether his fullness is contained in the Bible? - your original question.

@Kdtym10 because of Jesus Christ.

youll have to expand on that

@Kdtym10

Oh I’ve read and studied Paul. You’d be surprised who the devil works through too!

I would rather maintain hope that God is able lead people to Him. The parables of the lost sheep and coins come to mind. As such I look for the good in people. Looking around and seeing only demons would be a form of Hell...

youll have to expand on that

@Kdtym10, it's for us all to contemplate.

I would read it as the Bible is the way in which we can all reach Christ status, everyone of us and Jesus was an example of that

I’ll borrow WB Yeats’s magical motto

Demon et deus Inversus

@Kdtym10,

I would read it as the Bible is the way in which we can all reach Christ status, everyone of us and Jesus was an example of that

But you suspect Paul of being a 'bit of a charlatan'....?

Demon et deus Inversus

@Kdtym10

Interesting connection, that, with the mirror imagery in Corinthians 13:12...

Well sometimes potential isn’t fulfilled. I’ll quote again

“A truth that’s told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent”

Refer to my previous post/quote