Portsmouth Protests

[NoisyBrickDog]

Why are they all shouting "Shame on You" towards the police - when it was the RNLI who brought them all to shore?

Surly they should be shouting this towards the lifeboat crews....?

I’m annoyed too!

Great - I'm glad you agree with me on those points. So the question is why when the migrant dinghy requested assistance 13 miles off the French coast and a French rescue vessel came to them offering assistance that was then declined, were the migrants not taken off the dinghy (by force if necessary) and returned to France. Rather than continuing their journey with only one working engine putting themselves, the rescuers and other maritime vessels at greater risk.

i can understand their reluctance. We don’t want to be operating an ICE removal task force as not only would that cost a fortune it creates a huge amount of tension and animosity.

The best way to solve this is to reform the welfare state. Hopefully with the advent of AI we can avail ourselves of the technology to process information quickly. See where the money is going and reallocate it to those in genuine need.

Someone can indeed have motives for seeking asylum in a different safe country from the one they are currently in. These aren't necessarily "ulterior" and they don't mean that the person isn't genuine in seeking asylum.

If Russia invaded tomorrow and I was fleeing for my life, I'd still have preferences about where I eventually ended up. I'd want to be somewhere where I spoke the local language. I'd want to be where the rest of my family were. I'd want somewhere where the laws were in line with my values. So I'd probably want to end up in the US in a state that has abortion access enshrined in the state constitution, rather than Canada where the law says men can become women, or Mexico where thenational language is one I don't speak. That preference, and the steps I took to obtain it, wouldn't make me any less of a war refugee.

I already covered that.

Maritime rescue agencies don't have powers of arrest to remove people from vessels.

"Carnage" means people dying, lots of them.

Ive got a feeling if you were feeing for your life you’d just scrabble to the nearest safe place.

To put it bluntly, beggars can’t be choosers.

I stand corrected and I apologise for my ignorance. I just googled the word and I see why you found it offensive absolutely. I had no idea that’s what it meant. I seldom use it and when I do it’s to describe mayhem and chaos.

I am sorry and obviously understand why you found it so offensive. Of all the words I could have used 😢

I think it’d be really hard to end up in the US or Canada even.

If you’ve ever watched Saving Lives at Sea it’s apparent quite a few people refuse rescue. They might not think it’s that bad and want to carry on under their own steam. The RNLI had to shelter a stubborn paddle boarder who refused rescue from waves using the boat. They can’t leave people in potential trouble, even if the person involved is being incredibly foolish and putting them at risk.

I think that’s a really selfless amazing thing to do. They’re the very best of us.

My biggest point is there isn’t much difference between the migrant rescue and the usual people being daft and ending up in trouble scenario that they’ve always done. They’re taxiing them all back. The volunteers have been at risk. Sometimes rescue or help is refused. Sometimes people have made some utterly insane decisions. It’s great they don’t shout sod you then and return home in the boat, aren’t they amazing!

“A small number of officers were treated for minor injuries at the scene but no one was seriously injured”
Oh, I see 🙄

So Germany has chosen to remove convicted criminal Syrian migrants back to Syria and has an agreement with Syria to do this.
I agree that the problem is how can Germany implement such a policy without an "ICE" style approach which would be very difficult to implement in Germany (without going into the ethnics of doing so).

However if you remove welfare support from convicted criminal Syrian migrants refusing to return to Syria, then guess what they are going to do to get money to live on!

But that was my point, they are not effecting a rescue but taxiing them back. Because morally that's better than saying "sod you ".

Or in other words less of a rescue service and more of a taxi service.

This is not about arresting anyone but removing people (if necessary by force) from situations where the rescue services believe lives are at risk or the situation presents a danger to others.

Work?

And as convicted criminals what line of work are they best qualified to do?

How do you lawfully remove someone by force if you lack powers of arrest? It's the police's powers of arrest that let them remove people by force.

They will commit crimes or work in the shadow economy, which itself often involves committing crimes.

In the first instance, yes. But when I got there out of the immediate danger and couldn't speak Spanish / Portugese / whatever, I'd be looking to go somewhere where I could understand the locals.

The people in France got out of Eritrea or wherever warzone they are fleeing to somewhere like Italy or Greece, thought "I'm safe but I don't speak Greek / Italian / etc so I cannot get a job or see the doctor. I do speak English, how can I get to the UK or Ireland?"

I wish all those targetting those volunteering for the RNLI could have their names read out on national news and lose their jobs and that we could cast them off into the channel in a small boat. Shame on them. I'm so angry that they should target dedicated volunteers who give up their time to save lives. Fucking waste of space thugs.

Why are you trying to discredit the work of the RNLI?

If that’s what they do they’ll do that anyway. Benefits are just a top up.

Just made my one-off donation.
Lifeboat crews are the best of us.

RNLI reports ‘significant’ donations boost after being targeted by far right over small boats