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Oscar Pistorius trial part 4

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Pennies · 15/04/2014 09:53

Here you go.

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Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 09:55

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#OscarPistorius Nel seems to have finished in a very underwhelming way....

Wonder why?

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 09:55

Thank you Pennies

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Pennies · 15/04/2014 09:55

Wow. Nel just dropped him like a hot potato. It's like he's got bored with his plaything and just wondered off.

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member · 15/04/2014 09:56

Thanks Pennies - very quick summing up in the end

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 09:56

So, will Nel now cross examine some of the defence witnesses/evidence?

Nerf · 15/04/2014 09:56

Nel will do a summing up I think - maybe the things that are a bit lame like the jeans will be brought up then when OP can't argue against them.

JillJ72 · 15/04/2014 09:57

Thank you Pennies.

Have the prosecution not gone all out again?

StackALee · 15/04/2014 09:57

"Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this."

erm.... YES!
someone shoots at a person four times in an enclosed space? Sure I would have sympathy for them.

Roussette · 15/04/2014 09:57

I wonder if Nel is thinking he'll quit whilst he's ahead. The prosecution has been quite damning as a whole.

member · 15/04/2014 09:58

Stopped for tea now - back at 10.30am UK time

Phoenixwoman · 15/04/2014 09:58

Jumping on board after reading this thread, following key bits of OPs testimony and now watching some live feed. It's fascinating but surprised that's how the prosecution wound up. I was waiting for a big theatrical flourish.

Copied my post on thread 3 as I imagine it would be missed. I'm swaying to innocent at this point. I just can't see why a deliberate lie would be so flawed. I understand his emotion too, I'd cry at the drop of a hat if it was me too.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 09:58

I hope Reevas mother is ok, she doesnt appear to be in court today, and Im sure I read that she was determined to be there for Reeva.

member · 15/04/2014 09:59

Yes, as I understand it, Nel gets to cross examine all the defence witnesses, not just OP

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 09:59

Thanks pennies Smile

I do feel Nel just wanted to wrap this up, he seems bored with it all Confused

Probably because his team are now short of time, they have other commitments that's why they want to postpone till 5th may.

BeCool · 15/04/2014 10:00

quoting Ronald from Thread 3 (this is all moving so fast now):

He went to the bedroom with a cocked unsafe gun in his right hand
conducted a search in this manner **

He got on to the bed

He felt under the curtains and by the side of the bed

He opened the curtains and balcony doors

All with a cocked weapon in his right hand, whilst unsteadily moving about on his stumps

Yes - and all IN THE DARK!!?

Roussette · 15/04/2014 10:00

Agree OneStep. Maybe today and the finding of her daughter's body and all the detail with that is just too gruelling. Such a brave woman.

JillJ72 · 15/04/2014 10:01

Cast lots of doubt but is the evidence incontrovertible to support the prosecution's case?

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:01

I don't know - I think there might be a limit to what Nel can ask over and over. It works in Pistirius's favour (I think). He can't force him to admit that he knew where the duvet was and so forth, so he can't keep asking him. He can't tell him where the duvet was more than once really, without having Pistorius disagree with him.

But yes, today's seemed lacklustre in comparison to yesterdays. I suppose because what happened afterwards is less relevant to what happened before, and he's covered that.

BeCool · 15/04/2014 10:01

It doesn't even have to be an armend intruder though - its not to hard to imagine if it was a local 12 year old who had broken in as a dare - "I dare you to climb in and find a medal"

Bang, bang, bang bang - dead local child.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:02

I think I would be more in the innocent camp if OP didnt convienently forget any evidence that may not show him in a good light, it doesnt seem consistent.

I can understand having memory lapses over a traumatic event, but this does seem somewhat selective.

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 10:03

stack would you have sympathy if it was later discovered that the intruder had a history of burglary/murder/rape (for example)? Since sauce responded re what if intruder had been a 12 year old boy, I think now my level of sympathy would depend on who it was and what their likely intentions were.

If Nel does a summing up perhaps he is saving everything until then?

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:04

Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this.

Yes from me too. It could have been anyone. They might not have been armed (yes, odds are, but what if it was local kids daring to go into the local celebrity's house).

I know I haven't grown up with a gun culture, but to my mind, you don't open fire unless you know for damned sure who you're firing at.

He didn't check thoroughly, and (for me) that's unforgivable.

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 10:04

The legal side makes sense though, until you know what their intentions are, then you can't assume.

Nerf · 15/04/2014 10:04

I imagine 12 year olds local in SA would know full well the possible consequences of that sort of dare.

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Pennies · 15/04/2014 10:04

On the whole I believe Oscar. Nel's attempt to prove an argument because of her jeans was laughable. I would also say that IMO OP has kept to his story, despite bits seeming implausible which would be very hard to do if it was a lie.

The only thing I'm not sure of is which sides of the bed they were sleeping on. I'm pretty sure he was by the window and RS was on the bathroom side, but a thing in the Washington Times that I think was linked to on thread 3 had RS by the window and OP on the side of the bathroom which means she would have had to pass him. If the latter bed placements are correct then I do struggle with his version.

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