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Oscar Pistorius trial part 4

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Pennies · 15/04/2014 09:53

Here you go.

OP posts:
Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 10:05

Yes, agree.

Phoenixwoman · 15/04/2014 10:06

Who is mr Baba and why does he claim OP said everything was ok. OP seems to have forgot this conversation, someone's lying.

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 10:06

Thread moving too fast, I meant agree looking, up to the point of the unforgiveble part.

Roussette · 15/04/2014 10:07

He didn't check thoroughly, and (for me) that's unforgivable. Agree LookingThroughFog.

He could have walked away for help but he didn't. He wasn't defenceless, he had a weapon that if fired, one shot would disable anyone and cause enormous injury, I just do not understand why he went towards the intruder and that's what I can't get past.

Bonnielangbird · 15/04/2014 10:07

And agree pennies. Rushing as heading out now, marking place.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:08

He didn't check thoroughly, and (for me) that's unforgivable.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:08

Whoops ^^ sorry meant to say, totally agree!

Nerf · 15/04/2014 10:08

I think that OP is torn between the legal side and needing to avoid incriminating himself so is tying himself in knots to avoid confirming things (blame over Reeva's death) and also is not letting Nel bully him into letting things go - he corrected Nel several times and also argued back about the jeans. I'm glad he was allowed to do that as it makes it seem fair.
I have no idea what I think though.

Nerf · 15/04/2014 10:09

Mr Baba is security in site

Roussette · 15/04/2014 10:10

Nel didn't seem so fired up today and I wonder if there is some plea bargaining going on.

StampyIsMyBoyfriend · 15/04/2014 10:10

Nel will have stopped abruptly for a reason, everything he does is for a reason. Short of Oscar breaking down & confessing to everything, there isn't much else he can do, and the Judge's patience would run out quickly, if he kept rehashing the same questions.

StampyIsMyBoyfriend · 15/04/2014 10:11

Agree with above, hope Reeva's mum is ok. Who were the row of ladies in green??

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:15

if OP didnt convienently forget any evidence that may not show him in a good light, it doesnt seem consistent.

Yes. Me too. He can remember the shining hero parts impeccably.

My own experience with a traumatic event - there are loads of parts I don't remember. The parts I do are the parts that make me cringe to look back. My daughter was gravely ill - hovered over by a crash team levels of ill, and I was cracking jokes. I remember what I said that was totally dim, but little else. I know we were in the treatment room for a long time, I couldn't tell you how long, but we're talking hours both times, and about 6-8 hours between. I can fill maybe 5-10 minutes of that time with inappropriate jokes. The rest of the time, I have no clue what I was doing.

I remember having DD on my lap, and I remember the cannula site bled onto my lap - but I don't actually think I remember this. I saw the blood spot later, so that memory happened.

There was one key point, between her first and second spirals down, when her legs turned purple. Now, in my mind, I saw they were purple, tested them for blanching and called the nurse.

However, I know I could not have tested for blanching until after the second crash, because that's when the doctor showed me how to do it.

Similarly, I remember moving the blanket and seeing her legs, and I remember going to find a nurse (not pressing the button). In my head, this was an immediate, panic reaction.

I have a simultaneous memory, though, where the panic was rolling and slow and I discussed her legs with my husband. He uncrossed them to allow the blood to circulate more freely.

If under oath, I could not tell you whether that conversation, me waiting, wavering, hoping that DH was right and so forth took a minute, five minutes, ten minutes - it wasn't more than ten, but I have a possibly erroneous memory that it was immediate.

I know that everyone reacts differently - I'm just explaining it from my perspective, and why I struggle with the certainty he gives before, during and immediately after the shooting. I understand about crystallising memories, but he seems to have been quite lucky about the exact memories which were absolutely, unshakable.

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 10:15

Reeva was defiantly sleeping on the side near the balcony and OP was on the bathroom side. This has been confirmed in court whilst going through the whole fan moving scenario.

NorkyButNice · 15/04/2014 10:16

She was definitely sleeping on the window side, OP has repeatedly stated so.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:18

Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this.

I find this difficult, Im a pacifist, dont believe in the death penalty but can understand defending oneself or their loved ones. But I think you would have to be very very clear that you are in danger and have no alternative other than to shoot/kill yourself. Overwise, as in the case of OP, you become Judge, Jury and Executioner.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:20

So was OPs prosthetics on the window side as well?

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:21

Stampy, I believe the ladies in green are the ANC Women's league, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:22

According to the reconstruction, Onestep, the prosthetics were on the bathroom side of the bed. That's where he was sitting when he put them on.

OneStepCloser · 15/04/2014 10:23

Thanks Looking so that must mean thats right, Reeva was by the window, OP the other side.

Roussette · 15/04/2014 10:24

Looking what a scary awful experience and I understand. I lost someone in an absolutely terrible tragedy and my reaction was so odd, I remember the room spinning and I remember what I said and it was a bit inappropriate but it was like someone else's voice that I was listening to, and not me speaking. I almost looked round the room thinking 'who said that?'. Other big things I just can't remember and yet I can distinctly remember tin details of what people were wearing and it's a long time ago.

LookingThroughTheFog · 15/04/2014 10:24

Just to share that link again, because it shows where everyone was...

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/pistorius-affidavit/

BeCool · 15/04/2014 10:25

Looking can you link to the reconstruction please?

BookABooSue · 15/04/2014 10:25

I think OP's evidence was more believable today but then, as someone said on the previous thread, he was dealing with a period that mainly wasn't under dispute.
Looking back over some of the statements, I think any argument started after they went to bed because OP said early on that Reeva knew she was loved when she went to bed that night ie not when she died. I think that comment was quite revealing.

FreeLikeABird · 15/04/2014 10:26

I thought his prosthetics were on the balcony side of the bed, when Mr Nel spoke about the fans being moved, he said to OP but your prosthetics were on the floor there next to the bed? ( balcony side where fans were) now I'm confused. Need to look back.

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