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Grooming by “Famous” Men

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CaveMum · 17/11/2021 09:35

I saw this post on Facebook, posted by the account Women’s Voices Matter and thought it well worth sharing to show how blatant the abuse of young girls by “famous” men is.

Grooming.... let's talk about it:

Let's start back in 1919. Charlie Chaplin, who would become one of the most famous and celebrated movie stars of all time, was 29 when he married 16 year old aspiring actress Mildred Harris. Their marriage only lasted 2 years. In 1924, Chaplin repeated the pattern with another 16 year old, Lita Gray. He met Lita when she was just 6 and began taking her on dates around the age of 12.

1954 -- Sam Cooke meets a 12-year old Aretha Franklin and brings her to his hotel room. Before her father interrupted, Aretha said the conversation "took another turn."

In 1957, 23 year old Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin, 13 year old Myra Brown. She still believed in Santa.

Also in 1957, 16 year old Anna Mae Bullock met 24 year old Ike Turner. He quickly took her into his band, helped make her a star, and began to treat the newly christened "Tina" as if he owned her. They married 6 years later. Tina once wrote that she was afraid not to accept his proposal.

In 1959, Elvis Presley met his future wife. He was 25 and she was 14. They stayed in touch via phone and letters for the next 2 1/2 years. At that time, Elvis took her on a drug romp to Vegas, followed by moving her into his Graceland mansion. They didn't marry until 1967. While both parties claimed that Priscilla was a virgin on her wedding night, biographer Susan Finstad makes a strong case that this could not be true. Priscilla herself has admitted that she & Elvis slept in the same bed and that Elvis "taught (her) other ways to please him." Elvis reportedly had a predeliction for 14 year old girls, both before and after his marriage to Priscilla.

Chuck Berry was arrested and found guilty of transporting an underage girl across state lines for immoral purposes, spending two years in jail in 1960.

In 1969, Sable Starr, queen of the so-called "baby groupies", had a brief relationship with Iggy Pop. She was 13. He later wrote a song about it. Starr had sexual relationships with many other band members, including encouters with David Bowie, Mick Jagger, and Rod Stewart.

It's 1972 and Rock stars are still having sex with little girls and everyone knows it, but no one does anything about it. Lori Mattix tells of losing her virginity at age 14 to David Bowie. She went on to start "dating" Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page that same year, a relationsihp that began when Page's manager kidnapped her and brought her to Jimmy's hotel room. Page kept Lori essentially locked up in his house for most of their 18 months together. The "baby groupie" also reports a sexual relationship with Mick Jagger when she was just 17.

In 1973, married singer Marvin Gaye met and pursued 17 year old Janis Hunter. He wrote "Let's Get it On" as a tribute to his lust for her. Marvin took his teen date to dinner shortly after they met, where he bribed the waiter to bring her alcohol, then had sex with her later that night. They had a baby by the time she was 18, and married in 1977. The marriage lasted just 3 years.

In 1975, Steven Tyler purchased the guardianship of a 16 year old girl (Julia Holcomb) from her mother when he was 27 so that he could legally take her with him across state lines while he was on tour.

In 1978, Ted Nugent also purchases the guardianship of a teenager from her parents. He was 30, Pele Massa was 17. Years later, Ted reportedly received oral sex from a 12 year old Courtney Love.

March 10, 1977. One of the most well-known cases. Director Roman Polanski drugs and rapes 13 year old Samantha Gailey. Allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge, Polanski nevertheless fled to France before sentencing and remains exiled from the United States. He has not been exiled, however, from Hollywood and continues to make movies and win awards to this day.
Eagles drummer and vocalist Don Henley was arrested in 1980 in Los Angeles after paramedics were called to his home to save a naked 16-year-old girl who was overdosing on cocaine and Quaaludes.

Colored over as a a "grand romance" and a "decades long relationship", Celine Dion was 12 years old when 38 year old Rene Angelil became her manager. They went public with their relationship when she was 19.
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n 1984, Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman started dating Mandy Smith. She was 13. Although they did not marry until she was 18, Mandy says she was 14 when they first had sex. Mr. Wyman has never been investigated, much less prosecuted.

Red Hot Chili Peppers' lead Anthony Kiedis readily admits to having sex with a 14 year old girl when he was 23. According to him, once he confirmed her age he "had sex with her again." In 1986, the 24-year old musician began dating 16 year old Ione Skye.

In 1990, 16 year old Mayte Garcia's mother sent a video of her belly-dancing to Prince. He arranged to meet her, confirmed she was 16 and a year later moved her into his house. When she was 19, he initiated a sexual relationshi by informing her it was time to go on birth control. They married when she was 22 and he was 37. Before Mayte, Prince met "Anna Fantastic" when she was 15. At 17, she moved into his compound where they had a two year long relationship.

In 1991, 32 year old director Luc Besson met and eventually married model Maïwenn Le Besco when she was 15. Their relationship inspired his movie Léon: The Professional (1994), which followed an emotional relationship between an adult man and a young girl.

In 1993, Jerry Seinfeld picked up a high school student in a public park. He was 39 and she was 17. He and Shoshanna Lonstein dated for four years -- through her college years.

Also in 1993, MC Ren of N.W.A. was accused of raping and impregnating a 16 year old girl in the group's tour bus. The case never went to trial, however a paternity test showed that he was the father of the girl's baby.

Noted pedophile R Kelley secretly married R&B singer Aaliyah in 1994 when she was 15 and he was 27. They met when she was 12 and he later helped write and produce her first album -- "Age Ain't Nothing but a Number."

In 1995, teen star Brandy (age 16) started dating 21-year-old Boyz II Men member Wanya Morris. Keeping their relationship under wraps due to her age proved too stressful for the couple and they broke up soon after.

In 1997, Woody Allen should have become notorious when he married his de facto step-daughter. Though she was 21 at the time of the wedding, the two met when she 8. No matter the spin, the facts are stark. This wasn't the only time Allen dated a much younger woman. Actress Babi Christina Engelhardt began a years-long love affair with Allen when she was 16 and he was 41. When Allen was 42, he romanced 17-year-old actress and high school senior Stacey Nelkin.

It's the early-mid 2000s and "That 70s Show" actor, Wilmer Valderrama, continues to date teenage girls in an effort to deny that he is now over 30. He dated 16-year-old Mandy Moore despite being four years her senior. At age 24, Valderrama dated 17-year-old Lindsay Lohan though they kept the relationship a secret until her 18th birthday in 2004. In 2010, the 30-year-old began dating 17-year-old Demi Lovato.

In 2001, Fast & Furious star Paul Walker (28 at the time) was dating 16-year old Aubrianna Atwell. This was not Paul's last time to date a teenager. His girlfriend at the time of his death, Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell, was 23 to his 40. They met when she was 16.

Back in 2004, 26 year old Joel Madden and Hilary Duff did the familiar dance of being "just friends" until her 18th birthday in 2006. When asked about whether she was intimate with Madden or not in a 2015 interview with Cosmopolitan, Duff stated, "I had a 26-year-old boyfriend. So everyone can make their own assumptions about what I was doing."
In 2005, clean cut TV heartthrob Chad Michael Murray begins dating a girl in high school. They get engaged when she turns 18 and Murray calls her a "little sweetheart" and says they have been together "for awhile."

Similarly, in 2006, co-stars Hayden Panettiere and Milo Ventimiglia began dating. She was 17. He was 12 years her senior.

Actor Doug Hutchison married 16-year-old Courtney Stodden in 2011, when he was 51 years old. The dysfunctional pair became famous as reality stars, with Courtney undergoing extensive plastic surgery to maintain their image.

Rapper Tyga and Kylie Jenner began "hanging out" an awful lot beginning in 2014 when she was 16 and he was 24. They dated on and off after that, though they became a lot more openly "on" after her 18th birthday in 2016.

In late 2018, 44 year old Leonardo DiCaprio publicly reveals that he is dating 21 year old model Camilla Morrone. It's not the age gap that puts Leo on our list, it's the fact that he's known Camilla since she was 11.

2018 14 year old Millie Bobby Brown innocently revealed that rapper, Drake, age 31, has been close friends with her, for the last year giving her advice about boys. He texts her, "I miss you." This is the same Drake who has, more than once, skated around that "just friends until she turns 18" line most recently with 18 year old model Bella Harris.

Guys, this isn't a friendship. This is GROOMING. No one will stop it. They'll "date." He'll have sex with her, probably in a couple of years. No one will care because he's a man and a star.

NO ONE WILL CARE UNLESS WE START MAKING PEOPLE CARE.

Make them care. No free passes. No 2nd chances. A ruined career is the least they deserve. It's not cute. THIS IS NOT OK.

~ Verity Violet

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Valeriekat · 22/11/2021 10:02

Mandy Smith was "pretty babied" by her mum I think. She was certainly presented as far older than her years and Mum always seemed to be in attendance at the night clubs and parties. Her mother got a lot out of it.

tintodeverano2 · 22/11/2021 10:20

@41sunnydays

This has made me so sick but your right it has happened forever, I was 'groomed' as a 14/15yr old.

BUT my big question is - where are the parents in all this ?

My parents knew where I was and who with until I was 18 or older - so where are the families ?

Absolutely, it's sickening to think that some of these girls were pushed or encouraged by their parents to have relationships with these famous men. Obviously money was more important than their safety and well-being.
Pipsquiggle · 22/11/2021 10:57

When my MIL married FIL - she was 18 he was 33!!

The marriage lasted for over 40 years until she died, last year.

I actually don't think FIL was a deviant, he is a very socially awkward man. MIL had a very unhappy childhood and wanted to get away from her father - in the late 60s, this was her way out.

Felix125 · 22/11/2021 17:21

It seems that its not just men that do this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10229271/Woman-32-sex-15-year-old-schoolboy-meeting-social-media-jailed.html

Valeriekat · 22/11/2021 18:06

@Felix125
The thread is titled "grooming by famous men"

FAMOUS MEN get away with this. In your example the woman isn't famous, has a jail sentence and her daughter has been removed from her.

shiningjustforyou · 22/11/2021 18:21

@Pipsquiggle

When my MIL married FIL - she was 18 he was 33!!

The marriage lasted for over 40 years until she died, last year.

I actually don't think FIL was a deviant, he is a very socially awkward man. MIL had a very unhappy childhood and wanted to get away from her father - in the late 60s, this was her way out.

So a man in his 30s gets together with a teenager desperate to escape her unhappy life. Sounds really healthy!
SunnyHens · 22/11/2021 18:43

This is just awful to read. Feel truly sick reading it.

Pipsquiggle · 22/11/2021 19:04

@shiningjustforyou I am not disagreeing with you - nowadays it would be totally unthinkable.

In those days she had virtually no options - no independent money (although her father was wealthy), no professional qualifications, no bank account. Had she been born later I am sure she wouldn't have married him but I do think she had a less fulfilling life being married to him and raising 3DC

I did ask her about the age gap - she said he had saved her from a bad / toxic situation and he was very 'honourable'

He was and still is a socially awkward man - I think she saved him to be honest

beatrice14 · 22/11/2021 19:50

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KimikosNightmare · 22/11/2021 21:00

Kate Winslet's first husband is 2 years older than her. James Threapleton was born in 1973 ; she was born in 1975. They married in 1998.

She married Sam Mendes in 2003 when she was 28 and Mendes was 38 but as with Zach Braff and Mandy Moore/ Florence Pugh, Mendes and Winslet are not a couple where there's a power imbalance.

It wasn’t difficult to check this.

BarefootHippieChick · 22/11/2021 21:34

I can remember the many stories of Mandy Smith in the papers, always in some nightclub or other. I remember thinking she looked so much older than 13, and wondering why she liked some wrinkly old man when girls our age were into boy bands. I would hope nowadays no club would be letting a 13 year old in, especially one that's in the papers every day.

Regarding the David Bowie stories, there are also plenty of stories out there about his wife Angie participating in some of those threesomes with young groupies.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 23/11/2021 00:12

FAMOUS MEN get away with this. In your example the woman isn't famous, has a jail sentence and her daughter has been removed from her.

Yes, not really comparable!
(Still disgusting, but not comparable)

blessedbethechocolate · 23/11/2021 06:28

Some of these would be legal in the uk. My mum and dad had me when she was 16 and he was 29. Looking at it now I wouldn't be happy if my 16 yr old went out with someone that old though.

FreeBritnee · 23/11/2021 06:56

My friend was sleeping with a Radio One DJ when she was 15. This was the eighties and he’s still famous.

Hugeknockers · 23/11/2021 08:14

Do you think radio one DJ is ever worried about this sort of thing coming out?

shiningjustforyou · 23/11/2021 13:11

@blessedbethechocolate

Some of these would be legal in the uk. My mum and dad had me when she was 16 and he was 29. Looking at it now I wouldn't be happy if my 16 yr old went out with someone that old though.
It may be legal but that doesn't make it right ethically and as you say you wouldn't be happy if that was your child. It must be hard to think objectively about your own parents in this way and I wonder what they say about the age difference.

16 and 29 are worlds apart not just in terms of age but experience, values, outlook, maturity. That 29 year old man is not choosing a 16 year old child (and she was a child) because of all their common interests etc So you have to wonder why she was apparently the girl for him.

I have a bit of an issue with people spending the rest of their lives with their first proper boyfriend/girlfriend anyway because I think people often miss out on so much. It also often means that people stay in unhealthy relationships because they don't know any different, they have no personal frame of reference.

Hugeknockers · 23/11/2021 15:24

Would a 24 year old and a 33 year old be considered strange?

Sithee · 23/11/2021 15:55

I remember the newspaper stories about Mandy Smith, they referred to her as “wild child” Mandy Smith.

Another couple often in the papers around the same time was “wild child” Amanda De Cadenet and John Taylor from Duran Duran - he married her when she was 19 and pregnant - he was 12 years older.

shiningjustforyou · 23/11/2021 17:51

@Hugeknockers

Would a 24 year old and a 33 year old be considered strange?
I don't think so. It's not the age gap so much as the ages of the people involved, if I have a relationship with someone 15 years older than me now then that's fine but when I was 18, I think it's fucking weird and unhealthy.
LobsterNapkin · 23/11/2021 18:59

I'm not convinced you can look back from now till the pre-historic period, across all human cultures, and put all sexual relationships in the context of 21st century life and ideas. It just becomes foolish.

The 20th century didn't serve young women very well largely because of the sexual revolution. I don't think the big fault there was that a 17 year old girl or woman might end up having sex with an older man so much as casual sex with multiple partners was seen as ok and natural and nothing to worry about once teenagers were old enough to be interested in sex (which most are by 17, some well before that.) The pill has a lot to answer for there too in making it seem inconsequential.

LobsterNapkin · 23/11/2021 19:08

16 and 29 are worlds apart not just in terms of age but experience, values, outlook, maturity. That 29 year old man is not choosing a 16 year old child (and she was a child) because of all their common interests etc So you have to wonder why she was apparently the girl for him.

I have a bit of an issue with people spending the rest of their lives with their first proper boyfriend/girlfriend anyway because I think people often miss out on so much. It also often means that people stay in unhealthy relationships because they don't know any different, they have no personal frame of reference.

These are extremely culturally peculiar views of what is important in marriage though. Even a few generations ago, many people didn't have a particular expectation that a marriage would be based on having interests in common, or even being at a particular life stage at the same time. People didn't see marriage as necessarily being based on friendship. It was more like a cross between a family relationship - many of which are across generations - and a business partnership.

People obviously wanted to get on, to have similar values, to want similar lifestyles. But men and women often worked separately and had their own same sex friendships.

Similarly people weren't looking to have a lot of sexual experience with others before marriage. The former involved serious risks, pregnancy probably being the less serious. More serious was diseases which could cause infertility, death, deformed or blind children, and stillbirths. This is one thing that tended to favour earlier marriages in some cases as it's not always easy to stop older teens and young adults having sex, even when it's social taboo.

KimikosNightmare · 23/11/2021 19:13

@Hugeknockers

Would a 24 year old and a 33 year old be considered strange?
No the age becomes less of an issue as both get older.

A poster mentioned 16 and 29 , so 13 years. 20/33 is probably OK ; 25/38 is fine. 30/43, no issue.

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 23/11/2021 21:15

Sickening. There was a documentary about the Woody Allen thing which I watched not too long ago - lots of info I did not know, and really well done.

happydappy2 · 23/11/2021 21:57

fascinating thread OP, very illuminating. My Mum always asked, why can't these men find girls their own age? The power imbalance is terrifyingly unhealthy.

beatrice14 · 23/11/2021 22:23

While on the set of Dark Season, Tredre met actress Kate Winslet with whom he had a five-year relationship, starting when she was 15 years old and 12 years his junior.[2][3][4]