Westminstenders: Off he pops to Brussels

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Alex Andreou @sturdyalex
There's no way Johnson has not already decided whether or not to concede on Level Playing Field. Which makes the trip to Brussels dressing. Whether it will dress a concession as "I have saved us" or No Deal as "I tried my best" remains to be seen. But the choice is already made.

Amanda Cole @amandajanecole
What's your gut feeling, will he put his job ahead of the country? Given his past self serving form?

Alex Andreou @sturdyalex
I think he is so cornered - and has done so badly on Covid19 - his instinct will be one last, double-or-nothing throw of the dice. Only no deal does that.

The issue is that coming back with a deal will earn him much heckling and zero back-slapping from his peers. But no deal will earn him just as much heckling, but also plenty of back-slapping. What I don't know is just how ominous the departmental briefings he's getting are.

Its also worth noting the following:

Mujtaba Rahman @mij_europe
I understand @BorisJohnson wanted @EmmanuelMacron & Merkel to join his phone call with @vonderleyen last night, but she rejected the idea

So even yesterday he was STILL looking to undermine the EU and split its leaders. After all this time and the number of times he's tried this on.

Have no doubt that a) everything will be blamed on Macron (probably personally, with Conservative hardliners coming out calling for the public to boycott French cheese and wine - I'm serious btw) and covid b) covid provides a handy distraction at least for the moment. It will be used accordingly - that means its possibly now not in Johnson's interest to stop a spike in January. All efforts will be put into the vaccine rollout for PR but thats going to hit the breaks fairly soon. No doubt the EU will be blamed for that too.

What I'm not anticipating is another full lockdown. I think at least parts of Greater Manchester will now get out of T3 on 16th December. Traffords numbers look exceptional and I think it politically impossible for Johnson to keep it in T3. Its Graham Brady's patch and Manchester as a whole looks far far better than T2 London.

Anyone who gets out of T3 before Christmas won't go back into it. I'm not anticipating London to go T3 unless No Deal turns really ugly and its useful to quell civil unrest.

I think if we head into no deal then tight restrictions won't be used for covid reasons no matter how bad the hospitals get - it will only be about civil unrest, it will all be about keeping the economy going - backbench revolts are what scare Johnson most, and he's already said no more Tiers after the start of Feb.

We shall see what the day brings...

Zilla was just warming to their theme on the recent “sad at France” thread (started by a very obvious astroturfer).

Why did Boris not take that plane he spunked hundreds of thousands on getting a fucking Union Jack on to Brussels ?

And why did he go to the dinner in a foreign car ?

Traitor.

So the rhetoric seems to have hardened on the 6pm news featuring Johnson saying that there is 'a very strong possibility that we'll have an Australian style deal' jolly jolly, chortle chortle.

No deal catastrofuck here we come.

I don't really want to eat a kangaroos anus, thanks Boris!

All Bozo's doing is delaying his inevitable humiliation for a bit longer.

an Australian style deal

No deal is worse than an Australia style deal - at least the EU and Australia has agreements on things like mutual recognition of standards and tariff quotas, and of course Australia has trade agreements with its nearest neighbours.

Well done, Tory MPs, putting Johnson to the membership vote! What a corker! Hope you get all you want and deserve in the years to come! 😘

Decades of progress gone. Just like that. Done by that awful unserious man.

Johnson wants us all to be preppers now. As a general prepper, can I be the first to say "Fuck Off".

On the benefits of the EU thread I see that significant numbers are trying to sing the praises of non - EU immigration. I can't imagine that all that many Leave voters voted so that they could have more black and brown faces in the UK. Which they could have had anyway - there was nothing stopping us opening our doors to people outside Europe.

I am now just so sick of Johnson's macho posturing. He doesn't want a Deal - say so, call a spade a spade and deal with the fall out. If you do a Cameron and wreck your own political career, tough. If you wreck the current incarnation of the Tory party, then it's a bonus.

It takes all of my energy to not just post "he's a stupid cunt" every 5 minutes.

Seems the appropriate time to re introduce this ear worm.

....it's only age restricted because of the language: Boris Johnson is a cunt

Nothing we've not said on here repeatedly

TonMoulin
Clav if you didn’t know that aviation was going to be an issue, then I’m sorry but you aren’t really informed. It has been well known for years.

Yes, of course I knew about the potential problem - Easyjet registered 100 planes in the EU several years ago - but I can't think of a good reason why the EU would not come to a reciprocal arrangement on aviation.

And I can’t think of any reason the EU would solve that s if issue or the U.K.
The U.K. decided to leave the club. Fine. Just do it and don’t expect other people to sort the issues.

To have a reciprocal agreement, the uk should have proposed one first. And one that would work with or wo an FTA.
Instead we have the EU Proposing to extend the current agreement for 6 months to give time for U.K. to sort itself out. Again.

My Brexit stockpile is growing well

Ah yes The Australian (No) Deal...should we all wear cork hats and await further instructions 🤨

I suppose he has to chortle and be flippant doesn't he. What else can he do, openly tell people that the British economic system has just been destroyed to the point where we can look forward to serious food and medicine shortages through inadequate transport and customs infrastructure. "There seems to be some sort of mistake, ha ha ha". Plus he won't be suffering any hardship will he.
(I got Zilla eventually too)

Don't insult cunts. He is a traitor in my eyes.

I can't think of a good reason why the EU would not come to a reciprocal arrangement on aviation.

Depends on what price the UK was asking for the reciprocal arrangement.

At the end of the day one look at airline route networks within Europe
(well pre-Covid anyhow) will show that the EU based airlines don't need the market to/from the UK anything like as much as UK airlines need to continue to operate into/out off the EU and also within the EU itself ( that later issue was one of the main reasons for Easyjet restructuring it's operation).

To have a reciprocal agreement, the uk should have proposed one first

I expect we did.

www.aeroprofessional.com/in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-brexit-what-will-happen-to-aviation-safety-in-the-uk-the-uk-caa-perspective/

Oh good, an employment agency is now our go-to for official information

@ListeningQuietly

My Brexit stockpile is growing well

I was thinking that that should be a different kind of plant.

@Pepperwort

Don't insult cunts. He is a traitor in my eyes.

Fair