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Do all 365 Tory MPs want the same kind of Brexit

112 replies

fedup21 · 13/12/2019 16:51

Is it now just a case of Boris suggesting stuff and the Tories nodding it through or is there likely to still be lots of disagreement?

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ListeningQuietly · 15/12/2019 16:15

Mockers
On your link it says that 3m self identify as from Northern Ireland
on this link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Americans
it says 32.5m self identify as Irish American

and Noraid was definitely not a Protestant organisation !!!!

MockersFactCheckMN · 15/12/2019 16:17

That's the point. The Scotch-Irish do not self-identify as anything other than American. They have moved on from hyphenated identity because they've been there, multiplying, for several generations longer.

ListeningQuietly · 15/12/2019 16:20

But if the UK started to screw over Ireland, that would change PDQ
they all know which villages their families came from originally
and their understanding of what the English did to Ireland is much better than the folks on this island

to get back to the point
Trump is too thick to understand the GFA
but the State department is not
if Brexit threatens Ireland then Brexit will not be supported

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:46

Hello ... US/UK dual national here!

Not sure where you went in the USA mystery but the'fighting Irish', 'Notre Dame', 'The boys of the NYPD choir', 'the Kennedy clan' : they're all things...

That said, the Germans are also a thing,as are, of course the Jewish. And the Italians. Trump likes to bang on about being Scottish.
he has a lot of people to please/piss off/appease (delete as appropriate)
We know he definitely does not care to be reminded about the contribution the Mexicans and any people of colour have made to supporting and building his great nation.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:48

mockers they absolutely do identify as Irish Americans and Scots Irish. And Germans and Italians. My Facebook page would attest to this.

MockersFactCheckMN · 15/12/2019 16:49

There is not and has never been an NYPD Choir, except for the unofficial one created by the inspiration of said song.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:51

Ermmm... my sister sings in it...

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:52

There's also a NYPD fife and drum band.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:53

But anyway, I more meant that the reference to them in the song highlights the importance of Irishness to many Americans.

MockersFactCheckMN · 15/12/2019 16:53

...The band are most certainly real and feature in the Pogues video.

But there was no choir when they wrote the song.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 16:57

I wouldn't believe everything you read on the internet, as this election has shown.

There was always choirs, and bands, and social clubs in NYPD. The Italians formed their own branches and the Irish and the Scots others : usually named after the precinct. So, whilst there may well not be a choir for the entire NYPD there are certainly precinct choirs.
The fire engines often have Scottish/Irish or Italian flags on them, too.

Nutellanjam · 15/12/2019 16:57

Sorry, Just to refer back to an earlier post, Switzerland does have free movement of persons: www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html

Peregrina · 15/12/2019 16:58

But there was no choir when they wrote the song.

Hair splitting, if there is now.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 17:00

Indeed as I actually used present tense!

But somewhat off topic anyway!

ListeningQuietly · 15/12/2019 17:06

There are as many Tory views on Brexit as there are NYPD choirs Grin

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 17:08
Grin

Would that be none/ one (but unofficial?) or 79??

Peregrina · 15/12/2019 17:10

Oh I didn't think so, I thought all Tories wanted to get Brexit over.

ListeningQuietly · 15/12/2019 17:16

Oh I didn't think so, I thought all Tories wanted to get Brexit over.
I read an article this morning that pointed out that for the Spartan Brexiters, it is a position of faith and no Brexit will satisfy them

Brexit will not be over for at least a decade

and the new northern Tories are about to discover the poisoned chalice that comes with their new jobs

Has Rees Mogg been let back out of the nursery yet ?

ListeningQuietly · 15/12/2019 17:18

This is an interesting analysis
www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/business/economy/uk-election-brexit-trade.html

MockersFactCheckMN · 15/12/2019 18:01

No hairs were split in the making of this argument. It is a phenomenon known as a ploughman's lunch, an ancient tradition made up last Tuesday.

"The NYPD Choir" was a figment of Shane Macgowan's imagination which he wrote in a song. The song inspired imitation. Take a look. Can you see a choir? No. Why? Because there wasn't one. "City of New York Police Pipe Band," it says, because that's what it was. Not a choir. There was no choir. Not a choir. And definitively not "The" Choir.

Now sing. Because iss Crissmuss.

MockersFactCheckMN · 15/12/2019 18:10

....Depression. Shattered Dreams. Alcohol and Violence.

It's what Christmas Is All About.

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 18:31

You forgot the Casual homophobia and misogyny too!

Merry Christmas [santa]

MysteryTripAgain · 15/12/2019 19:18

if Brexit threatens Ireland then Brexit will not be supported

Brexit was supported by every EU member when they signed article 50 in 2009. EU population is about 440 million. US is about 300 million.

I don’t remember the US signing, or having any involvement, in article 50?

Ireland however did sign Article 50 and by doing so they agreed and sanctioned a no deal departure.

UK already trades with the US. So what difference does the opinion of a small number of Irish who currently reside in the USA make?

MysteryTripAgain · 15/12/2019 19:33

Brexit will not be over for at least a decade

Who cares? It took from 1939 to 1945 to prevent the World from being controlled by Nazi Germany. UK and US collaboration in WWII saved the world.

Can’t remember what Ireland’s contribution was, but maybe someone can advise?

Piggywaspushed · 15/12/2019 19:43

Wow.