Do all 365 Tory MPs want the same kind of Brexit

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Is it now just a case of Boris suggesting stuff and the Tories nodding it through or is there likely to still be lots of disagreement?

All conservative candidates pledged to vote for Boris Johnson's withdrawal bill which will take us out of the EU on 31st January.

I thought I’d read all Tory candidates had to declare they’d support Boris’s deal before they were allowed to stand

As others said, they have all committed to voting through the deal, it was one of the conditions of them being able to stand. So they will be voted through.

To be able to stand they had to agree to his EU plan so there should now be a quick Tory consensus and with such a majority they can now afford for a few dissenters.

But when Johnson makes a mess of it, which he will do, because he makes a mess of everything - they will all be complicit. They won't be able to say it's Labour/LibDem/Remainers who stopped us getting the sunlit uplands.

With such a big majority, potential dissenters may feel too expendable to defy the whip.

The WA means we will pay our bar bill and another year's contributions, in total tens of billions of pounds. They are all signed up to that.

The trade agreement will take more than a year. It will. It just will. So one year from now, we could be facig another No Deal scenario, or another extension. Now what was that slogan?

My ERGer quoted to our local paper that they can now get Brexit done by 31st January. Although didn't say which year!!!!!

Boris doesn't have a deal. He has a withdrawal agreement.

Not quite the same thing ... and on the other side of the channel, candidates are lining up to play the bad cop role.

Probably not - the next part of the process after the WAB is passed will be the Trade negotiations, and the type of Brexit (how hard/soft) will need to be decided and that's where there will be differences.

I noticed on TV yesterday numerous Tories now finally admitting that negotiating the future EU relationship with lies ahead. Finally actually acknowledging that the withdrawal agreement is not the deal. (Odd that when they spent the whole campaign saying everyone doubted Johnson had pulled off deal everyone thought impossible.)

Do they all want the same? No.

There's a choice between:

1. Limiting market access to our nearest trading partners who happen to be in a powerful bloc.

1. The ability to dodge some trade related standards in the sphere of food, environment, consumer& workers' rights.

If the choice is (1) the economy with be shattered with a minimal EU deal.

If the choice is (2) Johnson will either have to slap down the ERG ultras.

At each stage ( calling the referendum in the first place, attempting to define Brexit, refusing to reveal the economic benefits of it) the ERG have called the tune. So I think all 365 new Tories don't agree but the same minority will dictate the agenda.

Party before country fairly sums it up.

Boris doesn't have a deal. He has a withdrawal agreement

The withdrawal agreement is a deal in itself.

The withdrawal agreement is a deal but it's not the deal.

He had a pretty major purge in the autumn. I don't think there will be much difference of opinion anyway, but even such that exists will not lead to backbench rebellion (certainly not in the early on)

Still paying in. Still following EU rules. Still promising cake and eat it.

Over to you Nissan, BMW, Toyota, JLR, etc.

If the choice is (2) Johnson will either have to slap down the ERG ultras.

I don't think you finished this. Can you clarify?

Will it bother the Tories? They laid waste to the north in the 1980s and it still hasn't recovered, but people there have just endorsed them so why should they bother with consumer and workers rights?

The Withdrawal agreement is NOT a trade deal.
If there is no trade deal with the EU by the end of next year its WTO time
but the WTO has just been crippled by Trump
so little Britain will be at the mercy of any big trading bloc or nation that decides to push it around
excellent

but the WTO has just been crippled by Trump
so little Britain will be at the mercy of any big trading bloc

Trump doesn’t speak for the entire world. The US may not want to follow WTO, but that does not prevent the other 194 countries in the World from following WTO.

I think the crippling of the WTO by Trump refers to his refusal to appoint judges to the Court. Two of them have terms of office which have expired and it's no longer quorate. So phut - no decisions can be made.

There is currently no WTO since there are no judges and Trumpy won't let them appoint any new ones. No dispute resolution, it's back to tit-for-tat tariff wars and beggar my neighbour.

Mystery
As you can see, Mockers and Peregrina understand the reality as well

This means it will be an interesting situation for those Leavers who enthuse that we don't need the EU, we will trade on WTO terms. Yes, up to a point, until there is a dispute.

When all of this Brexit Madness kicked off, I thought we'd most likely end up with something a lot like Switzerland, not fondu and cuckoo clocks but strong regulatory alignment without the freedom of movement.

Switzerland does have the Freedom of Movement.