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What is going to happen if there's a GE? It will basically be held on a single issue - Brexit but what if you're a brexiter who cannot abide the Tories, or a remainer who can't stand Labour? What is going to happen?

The million pound question...

There's going to be a complete mess of tactical voting & I wouldn't be surprised if we get a hung Parliament tbh

I'm personally hoping for a healthy Lib Dem opposition & an eviscerated Labour with a Tory majority but that's just a pipe dream I think

If you want Brexit above all else then there's only Tory or Brexit Party (although SDP are pro Brexit & have other decent policies, but they're so tiny I don't think they'll get anywhere - it's a shame coz I quite liked their stuff the last time I looked)

If you want 2nd ref on different deal & Corbyn as PM, then it's Labour

If you want remain above all else, then Lib Dem

It's going to be a mess if we have a GE, but it should, at the very least, get a fresh impetus in Parliament & a more forward looking attitude.
(That's my hope 🙏)

I haven't watched at all today Epic so nae clue soz

I don’t think people love Farage in any numbers. You can agree with brexit without finding the man agreeable. Just look at David Lammy and ask yourself how many remainers held to their views in spite of him. But his conviction and ability to condense messages into nutshells (or sound bites if you are minded to disagree) is a bit like brexit Valium in these troubled times and some people need that. I have sometimes benefitted from it after lurking on the westminsterenders threads and needed to swap one echo chamber for another just for balance. Ultimately neither are convincing though.

There's going to be a complete mess of tactical voting & I wouldn't be surprised if we get a hung Parliament

It's going to be a mess if we have a GE, but it should, at the very least, get a fresh impetus in Parliament & a more forward looking attitude

Dusty we can hardly anticipate a fresh impetus if we have a hung parliament.

A "Cabinet split" over whether to call a GE is a convenient get out clause for the elements of the media who don't like reporting that Boris has offered a GE several times and Labour and LibDems have demurred.

A lot of spin around what Nippy actually said about wanting a GE yesterday. In truth she used exactly the same weasel words as JC and co but was reported as "Scottish and (Welsh) Leaders" back GE.

[gliiterball] #prayforSally and biscuits all round. I'm making ghastly empire treats for DD1 coming home for the 1st time since heading off to Uni.

And in fact we might just as well have a hung parliament at the moment since the Tories have no majority.

@howabout

How exciting! My DD is back for the first time this term (2nd year uni) tonight too. It’s been ages! 🥂

as for the spin, yeah, fair point, it’s impossible to glean much in the way of genuine information from any side now. 🤦🏻‍♀️

And one more thing, what are empire treats?

Dusty we can hardly anticipate a fresh impetus if we have a hung parliament.

A fresh Parliament, even if hung, would be a very different environment to the current shitshow imo

It would allow a fresh start & MPs would have the opportunity to work collaboratively in good faith to deliver Brexit

I obviously do not wish for a hung Parliament though

TheMustressMhor I anticipate a hung parliament too. That's why I don't think a GE is a way forward.

Cabinet split = cabinet indifferent. They think they are winning either way.

Maybe we could just have a ‘well hung’ parliament?

sorry... I’ll get my coat.

How lovely for epic and howabout

I ran electoral calculus earlier with flexed assumptions based on latest YouGov but assuming some of LibDem bleed goes back to Labour. Also flexed for latest Scottish polling which I think is pretty consistent and in line with what I see on the ground.

Assumptions I used:

Con 37% Bxt 10% Labour 25% LibDem 17% Green 8%

Result was seat split as follows: Con 383, Lab 175, LibDem 28, Green 2, SNP 41

If anything, looking at the underlying regional analysis I think this may be generous to Labour (LibDem are polling above Labour in London) and a bleed from Labour to LibDems tends to hand seats to lose Labour seats without compensating LibDem ones.

I don't think there will be a hung Parliament if there is a GE.

Also worth remembering there will be a clear out of 35 Independents and 5 Change UKers and half the LibDems (Chuka and Sam and Co and Norm and Vince). Reportedly all but the 9 (PH, Clarke, Rory etc) ex Tories will be offered the whip back. However some of the rest are resigning anyway (Soames). Bercow's seat will go back to being proper Tory.

Now I have a mental image of a load of naked MPs 😣 is that retribution for being a remainer?? Although you e punished us all with that one 😂

Really looking forward to seeing my big girl

Hallowe'en is a big thing in our HH as it is DH's b'day.

Ghastly empire treats are empire biscuits with adornment. DD3 made them with cherry and strawberry shoelace spiders and gargoyles last time and I think I'm going to add eyeballs and caterpillars with jellybean bodies.

Government is tabling a motion on Monday for a general election.

😮

Howabout and Epic - ooh that's some lovely news, enjoy.

🍷 for Howabout & Epic's visitations!

I'm 99% certain my boys will drop me like a stone when they leave home 😩

All the best to those whose young 'uns are heading home from university tonight. May your reunion be Brexit free and brilliant.

Ghastly empire treats are empire biscuits with adornment. DD3 made them with cherry and strawberry shoelace spiders and gargoyles last time and I think I'm going to add eyeballs and caterpillars with jellybean bodies

We need a pic Howabout😊

Wow, it's all kicking off in here, am scrolling back and I can't see what's started it all except cryptic references to glitter balls?

From the BBC - PM putting down motion for a general election to be voted on on Monday, to take place on 12th December - No 10's gambit is that if Labour agrees, then they will timetable Brexit bill again with time for scrutiny until 6th November when they want to dissolve Parliament

Someone's glitter balls? And Farage epic carrot??

@Now I have a mental image of a load of naked MPs 😣 is that retribution for being a remainer?? Although you e punished us all with that one 😂”

No Bercows, your personal punishment is naked Bill Cash. 🍻

Howabout, I want to come to your house for biccies! Lol < nice biscuit not a mean one

Thanks to all for the kind wishes re; DD, I can’t wait!

@sunny it was the best of times and the worst of times. But we’ve moved on after MNHQ called ‘time’. 🥕