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Not much else to say really 🍷🍷🍷

Proper bromance between BJ & Macron Time4! 😮
I know, we really are in strange times!!

Macron is a good guy, I bet there is a reason why France is such friends with the UK.

Maybe with one more push, aided by Corbyns idiocy, we can get this over the line.

Pray for Sally 🙏🙏🙏🙏

I think BJ's major strength in an international context is his fluency in other languages.

That he could have a laugh & connect with Macron in fluent French is a definite bonus

Boris is no diplomatic - ask Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Dusty very true I had forgotten that and he's very comfortable in that environment, used to report from Brussels etc.

I don't know know how Anna Sourberry can look at herself in the the mirror. I don't understand how she has convinced herself of the words she uses.
. The best way through this is to have a people's vote...

(because the other vote... The one with 17.4 million people, wasn't a proper vote..with proper valid people?)

To confirm what has been agreed, now that something has been agreed is a completely fair argument, made by JRM and others before the 2016 vote. The question will be put to the same electorate so where's the problem? A classic case of real time democracy in action, unless you think you won't get the answer you want in which case it suddenly becomes 'betrayal'.

Perhaps Jason.

Maybe your right..

This referendum has not been implemented however.. So if we have another one, this time with real people It's only fair whatever the out come to go and have another one straight after... There would be no point stopping with them really..

Is that what remain want endless referendums without leaving? Perhaps it's yet another delay tactic?

The best way through this is to have a people's vote...

It pisses me off every time I hear a politician call for a "people's vote".
What they're talking about is a REFERENDUM fgs.
It's almost as if they're afraid to say it'd be a 2nd referendum

To confirm what has been agreed, now that something has been agreed is a completely fair argument, made by JRM and others before the 2016 vote.
It would only be fair if people knew there would be a second referendum before they voted in the first one.

at least Boris is trying to do what he said he would

Trying to do what he said he would? Which of the many contradictory things he has said?

What he said in the letter he wrote in 2016 ( and then decided to keep private). When he wrote two contradictory letters and said in one , written days before a published version in which he backed leaving:

This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”"

Or when he said Brexit would cause an “economic shock” thst could lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom, or when he talked of the worry about Scotland, and the possibility that an English-only leave vote could lead to the break-up of the union.

or perhaps when he said
at the Spectator awards Britain will make a “titanic success of Brexit”

He hadn't a great track record , even in his family for doing what he says?

Crafty cancelling the Budget - means the OBR won’t publish growth forecasts and public finance figures. Should have also included an assessment of the Brexit plan.

Another way of avoiding making bad news public.

Lonely get a WA agreed to honour the referendum result, anything/everything else is a bit secondary really at the moment. Happy to see examples of JC doing his bit in getting Brexit done (as he spent many months telling everyone he would, or supporting a GE which he has spent 2 years asking for)

He hadn't a great track record , even in his family for doing what he says?

Didn't say he did but I said he was doing a better job than JC in actually getting something done v doing nothing. Maybe JC will prove me wrong on Monday.

supporting a GE which he has spent 2 years asking for

Not that he needed any help but I think this is what has made Corbyn look even more of a twat.

Throughout Brexit he has ended pretty much every statement with ‘we need a GE’

Now it’s on the table and he’s doing all he can to squirm out of it

It just shows him up for the disrupter he actually is as opposed to a leader

Labour and other parties won’t agree to an election on Boris’s timescale and when no deal is still on the table. The timing of the GE isn’t controlled by Boris. He needs to allow discussion time first on the deal.

Labour and other parties won’t agree to an election on Boris’s timescale

And that's the ridiculous situation we are in, Labour still playing silly party games, "I'm not doing it because Boris says so blah blah blah" playground behaviour. We are about to undertake the biggest event post war in the U.K. and he isn't able to grasp the bigger picture. The EUs decision on how long an extension we do or don't get relies on what JC does next so he needs to stop pissing around.

We are about to undertake the biggest event post war in the U.K. and he isn't able to grasp the bigger picture.
Could be said equally about Mr Johnson. He's pandering only to his party and populist rhetoric.

Boris is the one having the childish temper tantrums- why did he prorogue Parliament and now pause everything - he should have allowed the proper time for debating. He is trying to avoid discussions on his crap deal.

@Sunnyuplands Is that what remain want endless referendums without leaving?
It not helpful to lump all referenda together as being the same question about the same thing. It would be a different question. What's so unreasonable about 'you wanted to leave and we've got you this, is that OK?' If it's such a good deal for the country then there's no problem in people voting for it, is there?

No deal can never be completey removed because it’s the default

If we can’t agree a deal but still insist on leaving then what else is there.

They’d never actually do it anyway, as proved by the 3 deadlines where we’ve not gone down that route

Could be said equally about Mr Johnson. He's pandering only to his party and populist rhetoric

I don't think he is, I see it as trying to move the country forward while all the other parties seem intent on going backwards. It's not populism it's called trying to get the job done.

He is trying to avoid discussions on his crap deal

If you voted for remain then any deal is going to be a crap deal so that doesn't carry much weight. Is it crappier than TMs or better or are they both equally crap?

No deal can never be completey removed because it’s the default
👍 exactly, I don't know why more people can't see this?

It'll be interesting to see if Macron sticks on his 2 week extension (he hasn't before though, so I'm not holding out much hope.)

If you voted for remain then any deal is going to be a crap deal so that doesn't carry much weight. Is it crappier than TMs or better or are they both equally crap?

The fact it has descended to this is the whole problem though isn’t it.

Any deal is, by definition, worse than we have now and Leavers still can’t point to what we gain from it

‘Taking back control’ and giving it to the fuckwits in parliament is hardly a great gain is it? (Even though we never lost control anyway)

This WA is worse than May’s and that failed to pass 3 times because it’s shit

If all you want is to say we’ve left then it’s probably fine....until it’s repercussions start to affect you personally

This WA is worse than May’s and that failed to pass 3 times because it’s shit?

In what way was it shit for you Bear to me it looked like it was basically BRINO.