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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:33

Seriously.
Say it: 'I was scared. And I realised that did me no good. It changed nothing. It made me ill. So I became angry. Now you should be scared.'

You'll be amazed how much better you feel.

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:33

Tweet from Tusk Smile

Donald Tusk @eucopresident
My last words @Europarl_EN: Thank you for your responsible position on #Brexit and extension. After what I have heard in this chamber today, I have no doubt that we should treat the British request for extension in all seriousness.
10:27 22/10/2019

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 14:35

I'm angry.
How DARE BJ smirk whilst discussing illegal arms running?
How DARE he? I wish MP's were allowed to directly accuse each other of lying - the fact they cant prevents this monster from being called out.
He should be ejected from the House for Disrespect!

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:42

Ah, Johnson put the whole 'pulling bill' thing into subjunctive with caveats - he won't pull the Bill.

The 'Downing Street sources say' = a lie truism remains intact.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2019 14:49

"if we leave next week , all the UK MEP's will automatically lose their jobs ? Even though we are in transition until December 2020 ?"

Frumpety We lose all our MEPs - and our seat & vote at EUCO - the minute after we Brexit, because these are only for members of the EU

Non-members cannot vote

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 22/10/2019 14:59

Love the comment (missed the MPs name but he was Labour) that his wife pointed out they'd spent longer deciding on a sofa than they've been given to look at this bill

FishesaPlenty · 22/10/2019 15:05

if we leave next week , all the UK MEP's will automatically lose their jobs ? Even though we are in transition until December 2020 ?

Don't worry about them though, they've got a healthy severance arrangement.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 15:10

What have I missed? I've been out since 11am.

OublietteBravo · 22/10/2019 15:19

@BercowsFlyingFlamingo - I’m wondering much the same thing.

What’s all this about flouncing and pulling the Bill if his timeframe is rejected? Does it matter whether it’s rejected by the HoC, or can the Lords step in and scupper it too?

IDontBelieveYou · 22/10/2019 15:19

PMK

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 15:23

Johnson is assuring people there won't be barriers to trade between NI and the rest of the UK.

Then spaffing crap when presented with 'WTF?' faces.

It looks very, very much as though he doesn't know the detail of his Deal.

Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 15:24

Oubliette in a move that surprised no-one, Johnson back-tracked on that.

tobee · 22/10/2019 15:24

Anyone else think all this chaos & confusion is deliberate? Not sure what their ultimate aims are? But maybe they don't either?

prettybird · 22/10/2019 15:25

The sad thing is: we all know that Boris. Doesn't. Do. Detail. Hmm

....yet he expects everyone to take on trust what he doesn't understand says Angry

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 15:27

Just tuning in to Parliament live and the chamber looks half empty again Confused

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 15:28

More than half empty! Are they all busy reading?

Hasenstein · 22/10/2019 15:28

Another beauty on the James O'Brien show: Grin

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/leave-voter-hails-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal/

In fact, this could have been taken from any show over the past 5 years. People with (self-confessed) "no idea" being absolutely sure what they're supporting. It all sounds soooo familiar.

Outsomnia · 22/10/2019 15:31

Boris, with his Classical Education should morph into Socrates and drink a bloody big cup of hemlock for daring to uphold democratic principles. He could share it with others in the Opposition, and let the idiots expire together in their obsessive so called support for the democratic will of the people.

I am just literally going a bit doolally here, so I hope I have not offended anyone.

HeyNotInMyName · 22/10/2019 15:34

Barnier says transition period not long enough for a trade deal

Yep I was thinking that earlier in today. How could they manage to do a trade deal in 1 year when they haven’t managed to do WA in 3+ years??
Esp as this will be MUCH MORE complicated anyway!

It’s amazing how people have been so focused on the WA that they have forgotten this is only the very first step. Just about agreeing on a minimum needed to be able to actually agree on the terms for the trade agreement/FTAand that very little is actually set in stone from that WA (as seen with we can still have the CU but no we don’t etc...).

KanelbulleKing · 22/10/2019 15:37

Pmk for a bit of sanity.

tobee · 22/10/2019 15:38

Trying to avoid the chamber until later on, to give my blood pressure some chance, I turned to my usual haven of old films that is Talking Pictures TV and find that they are showing Ring of Bright Water! Still traumatised by watching that at school as a 7 year old! Sad

(Should be working anyway)

motherofdoodles · 22/10/2019 15:39

Why on earth do the all walk out when SNP speak 🤦‍♀️

Hoooo · 22/10/2019 15:42

Boris - being a classicist - should remember the fate of another loud mouthed populist...Catalina.

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 15:47

"Thank god for that" god the conservatives are so friggin rude.

derxa · 22/10/2019 15:48

Why on earth do the all walk out when SNP speak That should be obvious. Parliament has no respect for Scotland and never has.