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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/10/2019 14:05

Shes a rowdy house today

frumpety · 22/10/2019 14:06

So if we leave next week , all the UK MEP's will automatically lose their jobs ? Even though we are in transition until December 2020 ?

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 14:09

How much has changed ?

twitter.com/TimPBouverie/status/1186313168303378435

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prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:10

So there will be no "crash out" in December 2020 because the UK will have negotiated a trade deal by then Hmm - according to BJ (in response to Caroline Lucas)

Aye right ConfusedHmmAngry

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 22/10/2019 14:10

Found a new way of heating my house. Put parliament tv on, let's the hot air wafting out of Boris work take over from the radiators

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:14

BJ repeating the trope that this was the "greatest democratic exercise that this country has ever seen".

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 14:14

Has Bercow announced what amendments he has accepted?

No amendments to the second reading. You either read it or you don't.

Sounded like there was some attempt by presumbly SNP to have the bill declared an England and Wales only bill, rejected.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 14:19

BJ absolutely smirking when talking about the 'light touch' customs arrangements to prevent the trade in illegal arms and endangered animal (parts).

Hateful Bastard!!

He is so hoping for this to be voted down and a GE, imo.

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 14:20

DGR, I had wondered about Laura K's partiality ...

Did you mean im partiality ?

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LarkDescending · 22/10/2019 14:21

Why is Jim Fitzpatrick wittering on about "assurances" the PM has supposedly given about workers' and consumers' rights? Read the draft legislation and either amend or don't, but "assurances" from the PM (esp this PM) are transparently worthless.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 14:21

Bloody hell, Michael Fabricant's hair is more rug-like than ever.

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:21

Thanks Mockers - got confused because I saw lots of tweets about the various amendments that were being proposed.

So essentially, the only thing really that can be debated is the timetable.

barnun · 22/10/2019 14:22

So there will be no "crash out" in December 2020 because the UK will have negotiated a trade deal by then

Why so cynical @prettybird? Easiest deal in history, surely!

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:24

He can't get a GE.

It's a 'Downing Street source' suggesting this pulling the Bill nonsense.

That's plausible deniability in action.

If Johnson's tenure should have taught you one thing, it's this:

When it's attributed to an Downing Street source' it's not true.

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:24

Snell attacking BJ and pointing out the not so minor change that drastically changes the intention of his amendment (good example why this document needs to be read closely and why no one should assume that sections are "the same" as the previous bill) and that it effectively sets in stone the PD.

BJ then blusters in response.

barnun · 22/10/2019 14:24

Bloody hell, Michael Fabricant's hair is more rug-like than ever.

You'd have to have a sense of humour with a barnet like that, surely?

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:26

BJ has now confirmed that he would pull the bill if the timetabling programme is not agreed and would then seek a GE.

And how is he going to do that? Hmm

cherin · 22/10/2019 14:26

Dg in the picture above Bojo looks like a drunk homeless that’s been counselled by a well meaning volunteer...

barnun · 22/10/2019 14:26

Christ, I've just realised I'm really scared.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:29

Oh. I take it back. Johnson's said.

Well, SFW.

The Opposition need to either deny him the GE or go for a GNU.

NoDeal versus GNU - I doubt even the wanker Tories would want it on them.

DarlingNikita · 22/10/2019 14:29

Christ, I've just realised I'm really scared.
Me too.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:30

Don't be scared, Barnum, start getting really, really angry.

Hoooo · 22/10/2019 14:30

What a bunch a venal, self serving motherfuckers

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 14:31

Why should we be scared? They deserve to be scared. Of us.

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