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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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ContinuityError · 22/10/2019 13:39

Laura K tweeting:

Not sure he will spell it out at the despatch box, but it seems if MP s won't agree govt timetable for Brexit legislation tonight, they will pull it, and if EU then offers a delay, they would push straight for an election instead

No 10 source says, 'if Parliament votes again for delay by voting down the programme motion, and the EU offers delay until 31 Jan -- then we will pull the Bill, there will be no further business for Parliament and we'll move to an election before Christmas'

Understand there have been pretty fraught conversations among Tory MPs over whether to do this or keep going and accept a slower timetable set by Parliament - govt seems to have chosen instead essentially to go on strike if the Brexit legislation doesn't progress tonight

But it’s from the famous “No 10 source” so is this just Cummings bluster?

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 13:41

How does Johnson force an election?

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 13:42

PMK.
BJ is spaffing on now.
I can barely bare to listen. He makes my teeth itch.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 13:43

bear... FFS!

ContinuityError · 22/10/2019 13:43

Have heard he’d try VoNC under the FTPA - but would he get 2/3rds if MPs to vote for it?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/10/2019 13:43

JustAnotherPoster00 It’s good you have an open mind

How many times do you need to burn your hand before learning fire is hot [shrug]

prettybird · 22/10/2019 13:44

They want more concessions from Govt for Parliament to set the negotiating mandate for the future relationship, plus the ability for MPs to extend transition period if there is no FTA in place by Dec 31, 2020. In effect, the full Nandy/Snell package that Theresa May agreed (2). (From Tom Newton Dunn's tweet)

BJ shouldn't have any problems agreeing with this Wink. After all, he said on Saturday that Nandy/Snell would be protected, didn't he? And of course, he can be trusted, can't he? Wink He wouldn't lie, would he? Hmm

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 13:45

Is the 'finest culinary delight' quote from JRM a spoof? Shock

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 13:47

JRM:

'i MUST SAY THAT THIS DEAL - IT IS A DEAL THAT ONE CAN EAT WITH JOY AND PLEASURE, AND IT IS THE FINEST CULINARY DELIGHT FOR ME TO HAVE'.

iS HE ON GLUE???

ListeningQuietly · 22/10/2019 13:47

I hate tribal party politics.
MPs are elected to represent the best outcomes for their whole constituency.
They are not tied to the party they were elected through.
They are elected to support EVERY person in the constituency, even those unable to vote.

Deciding issues on tribal lines is breaking the country.

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 13:47

How does Johnson force an election?

He doesn't. He can try (again) to goad Labour into supporting the VoNC, but now they've got the hang of the FTPA, it's going to be less effective each time. And Boris can only whine about it so much before starting to sound a little impotent ...

It would never happen, but there is an opening for a tactic of adopting a stance against Boris of:

If you are so certain your approach is going to win public approval, then let's enshrine our version of Brexit into law, and when you win the election you can repeal it - which you make a manifesto pledge of

And if Boris bottles it - well he can't be that confident then.

But that requires a whole lot more smarts than I've seen anywhere in the HoC these past few years.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 13:48

Johnson flustered by Nigel Dodds of DUP. Dear god it's come to this.

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 13:49

Laura K tweeting:

best to stop there, really. No good will come further on ...

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/10/2019 13:49

British journalists have become part of Johnson’s fake news machine

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/

prettybird · 22/10/2019 13:52

He really is just blustering and blatantly lying to being economical with the truth to the House Angry

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 13:52

God yes, Laura K is really getting on my tits. She's sold her journalistic soul for a bit of 'access' to a liars' lair.

BirdandSparrow · 22/10/2019 13:54

pmk

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 13:54

God yes, Laura K is really getting on my tits. She's sold her journalistic soul for a bit of 'access' to a liars' lair.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks that's a bit of an innocent view ...

DGRossetti · 22/10/2019 13:55

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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 13:56

So Johnson gets a question he can't answer, he shouts about the wonders of free trade and accuses the questioner of some kind of moral failing, and then lies.

prettybird · 22/10/2019 13:56

Caroline Lucas has only just discovered that?Confused

We've been pointing that out for yonks Grin

barnun · 22/10/2019 13:58

There will be some "light touch measures" rather than customs in place between NI and GB, says BJ.

Oh my sides.

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 13:58

BJ getting a hard time from the Official DUP and Hoey the Provisional Wing of the DUP.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 13:58

DGR, I had wondered about Laura K's partiality ...

prettybird · 22/10/2019 14:01

Missed the very beginning of the debate. Has Bercow announced what amendments he has accepted?

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