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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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Violetparis · 28/08/2019 09:15

Nick Robinson has tweeted that he has heard that the Queen could be asked to agree to porogue Parliament as early as today. Just said same on Sky News, gulp !

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:15

So there it is - interested to hear more about the mechanism - anyone have any more updates via Twitter?

I can't see anything else about it yet...

TokyoSushi · 28/08/2019 09:15

Shit!!!! Just leaving the house for work and trying to keep track of the proroguing (sp?) WTAF?!?!

SistemaAddict · 28/08/2019 09:17

Fuck.

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:18

From Laura K

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
SistemaAddict · 28/08/2019 09:18

Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:19

...and from Beth Rigby

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
Gottastopspendingmoney · 28/08/2019 09:20

Democracy my arse.

Take back parliamentary sovereignty - take it away more like

Songsofexperience · 28/08/2019 09:22

It's the coward's way out.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/08/2019 09:23

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DGRossetti · 28/08/2019 09:23

Government expected to suspend Parliament from mid-September, meaning MPs have limited time to stop no-deal Brexit

Let's see. I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but surely the correct response from the palace is "do you have the confidence of the house to make such a move ?".

If the Queen does acquiesce, then we know the last house of the UK monarchy. It'll be the Windsors.

DarlingNikita · 28/08/2019 09:23

Jesus wept. I've been worried and frightened for ages now, but this makes me feel particularly cold and scared.

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:23

James Forsyth

Number 10 don’t believe that they need to win a vote on parliament not sitting between September 12 and October 14 as the break is ahead of a Queen’s Speech

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:25

If the Queen does acquiesce, then we know the last house of the UK monarchy. It'll be the Windsors

I don't think so. There isn't a clear overlap between Remain/Republican and Leave/Royalist.

Songsofexperience · 28/08/2019 09:25

If the Queen does acquiesce, then we know the last house of the UK monarchy. It'll be the Windsors

Indeed. Her Majesty surely remembers the role King Juan Carlos of Spain played after Franco died.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/08/2019 09:26

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wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:27

Laura K

No 10 source 'new Queen's Speech will be about an agenda for improving the NHS, helping police fight violent crime, stopping violent criminals getting out early, investing in science + infrastructure, and attacking the cost of living with aggressive tax cuts + other measures'

Motheroffourdragons · 28/08/2019 09:28

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 28/08/2019 09:29

Oh fuck.

Lisette1940 · 28/08/2019 09:30

Grim.

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:30

I can't see anyone other than Nick R saying today. Others saying they'll still sit next week and opportunity to put forward a VoNC still

Violetparis · 28/08/2019 09:30

Does anyone know if there could still be time for a VONC ? I presume that legislation to stop no deal would take much longer than this.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 28/08/2019 09:30

Is this an attempt to force a VONC? Or are Johnson / Cummings just trying to force through a no deal?

prettybird · 28/08/2019 09:32

Really irritated by Sky's All Out Politics interview with David Gunnlaugsson, disgraced former PM of Iceland. Angry

He talks about the difficulties that Iceland had, implicitly blaming the EU, with allowing their banking industry to over-balance their economy which were nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the incestuous and corrupt nature of Icelandic politics and oversight at the time and downplays the role that being part of the EEA (as Iceland is a member of EFTA) plays in Iceland's economy, saying that the UK becoming a temporary member of EFTA Hmm, which might reduce some of the "inconveniences" yes, that's the word he used Hmm, but that he didn't think that the UK really needed to, so would be ok leaving with No Deal Hmm

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 09:33

Many people wondering various versions of 'Can the Queen tell Boris to get to fuck?'

I'd like her to MN it out with a 'ODFOD'.

I suspect that, unless there is a successful VoNC, the Queen won't have much leverage to say no to proroguing for a Queen's speech?

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