Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

Cant find it but this is interesting too
www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/could-a-new-prime-minister-suspend-parliament-to-deliver-a-no-deal-brexit

Tbh I think your son makes a good point about Hitler rufus

So did i!

He 20, so young enough to remember what he studied in history...and as i said to dh, when he complained that he didn’t remember what he’d learnt about WW2, history repeats

Thank you violet

Sorry for being grumpy.

Rufus, I would like someone to nicely answer your question too.

Perfect quentin

DG fwiw ive always thought this could happen and this is why I do NOT post anything on FB etc... with my own views.
This is also why I didnt go to the marches (Facial recognition in place or rather a record of faces by the police with no system in place to know how it will be used later on).

This is just me thinking things through. These are my assumptions/known dates:

1. Parliament suspended mid September
2. MPs opposing no deal can't get anything done before suspension starts
3. Queen's Speech 14 October, requires confidence vote
4. EU council meeting on 17 October

Two possibilities:

1. BJ has a new deal by 14 October that he's confident will be accepted by EU council. This would have to include a tweaked backstop by another name, possibly NI only.
2. No new deal on offer.

If there's a new deal:

1. Queen's Speech vote passes (unlikely esp if NI only backstop as DUP support lost) - attempt to pass WA 2.0 (vv unlikely)
2. Queen's Speech doesn't pass - 14 days to form GNU + extension + GE, or leave with no deal + GE.

If there's no new deal, I can't see the Queen's Speech passing. Then we're again at 14 days for GNU + extension + GE, or leave with no deal + GE.

All roads lead to GE now, it's just a matter of how we get there.

@DGRossetti join the club

Still an independent Scotland ?

lumisade

quentins link has given me some good examples

Basically i wanted to be able to explain to my dad why this is bad...so i could think of some imaginary situations which would annoy him but not any actual examples...the cash for questions example is perfect!

One more post and then I’ll stop rambling

I think we're all grumpy now.

DG

Think we are all going to be grumpy for a while

Oooh crosspost

Never be afraid to ask questions. I do all the time. Sometimes they don't get answered but someone normally does. Not everyone is politically astute and may just have become interested in politics. I've only been interested for 3 years and have only been on these threads since January or so taking an interest in brexit beyond just reading the news.

Sky is suggesting State Opening of Parliament and Queen's Speech on 17 October, to be followed by conventionally 5 days of debate, after which the Queen's Speech is voted on.

If it fails, then that's the equivalent of a VONC under the FTPA - and then you're back into the simple arithmetic of the days remaining into being forced by existing law into a No Deal.

Peston:

This battle between government and MPs, over how and whether we Brexit, is now massively, bloodily raging. A number 10 source told me: “If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week, then we'll stay in No10, we won't recommend any alternative government we'll dissolve Parliament and have an election between 1-5 November -- and that means no time for legislation”. Flippin’ ‘eck.

Sturgeon putting it up to Davidson over no deal on twitter - will she join the cross party move to block no deal?

Here's something to do :

www.bestforbritain.org/queenproroguepetition

I wish I was surprised.

Always thought Johnson would do something that wasnt democratic and was highly questionable.

He was always going to do something Trumpesque.

Just didn't know what.

I ask stupid questions on here all the time

No surprise here either, they were clearly plotting something (and it was never about getting a deal).

Thanks pretty, I didn't know about the 5 days of debate convention! That makes the post prorogation timeline even tighter.

That report from Peston is incredibly worrying, mojo. Surely then if there's a VONC it would have to be amended to include the proposed alternative PM name, though I'm not clear on the parliamentary process or if that's even allowed.

When was parliament last suspended?

Matt Chorley

Downing Street source insists Queen’s Speech is about setting out new PM’s domestic agenda.

It WILL include a Withdrawal Agreement Bill, with the expectation in No10 still of agreeing a Brexit deal at EU summit on Oct 17, passed by parliament before Oct 31

^ LOL at the idea that BoJo is even working on a deal right now...

Has the agreement yesterday between opposition leaders led to this? Or was it always going to happen?

Was no 10 waiting and watching to see how that went?

Is there anything we can do? Would righting to our Mp's help? Although mine is a Govt minister so has essentially signed up to no deal but this surely is something different. And even some who support the government and NO deal will be uncomfortable here?