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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

970 replies

RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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prettybird · 28/08/2019 10:25

After voting down the Queen's Speech, under the FTPA, like a VONC, there are 14 days for an alternative administration that can "enjoy" the confidence of the House to be formed. Which of course takes us beyond 31 October Sad

The Privy Council has to present this to the Queen to be signed off and it is apparently meeting today at Balmoral. JRM is chair and it only needs 3 (other?) members to be quorate, so he'll have made damn sure to handpick appropriate members. Hmm

Have mental image of Alex Salmond and other more sensible Privy Councillors making a mad dash to Balmoral Wink

Gottastopspendingmoney · 28/08/2019 10:26

*writing

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:28

Peston:

No.10 source on the legality of suspending parliament for a month: “lawyers are absolutely confident the courts cannot interfere with a bog standard Queen’s Speech process. No10 has been extremely careful to do everything by the book in the normal way...

and there’s no precedent for the courts having any locus on this”. Government lawyers believe they are providing no hook for a judicial review, since they are not trying to escape the provisions of the recent Northern Ireland legislation [which forced government...

to update MPs on progress to recall the NI executive]. “This process [of proroguing or suspending parliament prior to Queen’s Speech] is ancient, so there is no scope for legislation [to stop it] or judicial review” said source.

Sorry - not got the hang of copying and pasting tweets very well yet!

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:30

Has the agreement yesterday between opposition leaders led to this? Or was it always going to happen?

I think it was going to happen anyway - it was a rumour a few days ago (which of course the Govt denied) and they'd also been seeking legal views.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/08/2019 10:34

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wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:36

Average length of normal prorogations (did I make that word up?)...

So this one is significantly* longer...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
woman19 · 28/08/2019 10:37

Game over.

DGRossetti · 28/08/2019 10:41

To paraphrase Carl Sagan ...

extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures

SequinnedSlippers · 28/08/2019 10:42

I think this has been planned for a long time.

TokyoSushi · 28/08/2019 10:43

I think the fact that it's bloody JRM scooting up there to mither the Queen that makes things even worse!

RosaWaiting · 28/08/2019 10:45

Sorry if I missed it
When does the queen give her answer please?

SistemaAddict · 28/08/2019 10:47

At what point will the Leavers admit this is not what they voted for?

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:47

BJ's letter to MPs...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:48

At what point will the Leavers admit this is not what they voted for?

Just popped on to the Tory forums. Answer is, definitely not yet!

lonelyplanetmum · 28/08/2019 10:49

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 10:52

Jo Maugham QC has noted seeking an interim order to prevent the suspension of Parliament

SinisterBumFacedCat · 28/08/2019 10:53

Well this is what democracy looks like now Sad

Apileofballyhoo · 28/08/2019 10:54

The trouble with the Leave campaign is that it showed certain people that while you can't fool all of the people all of the time, you can certainly fool a majority of the people for a sufficient amount of time. I wish I wasn't Irish and I wish I didn't care.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 28/08/2019 10:54

Knowledge is armour:
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8589/CBP-8589.pdf info about prorogation of parliament.

Apileofballyhoo · 28/08/2019 10:54

Well a majority of voters.

DGRossetti · 28/08/2019 10:57

We're gonna need a bigger thread ...

SistemaAddict · 28/08/2019 10:57

And a bigger brexit cupboard

ARoomWithoutADoor · 28/08/2019 10:59

I rarely post (and have just namechanged to make a personal aibu type post elsewhere) but I DO hugely value reading everyone's input

I find I forget facts / what I have read too (partly a vitB12 issue and partly stress in my personal life I think)
But I consider myself a political person, I try to keep informed, talk to my children about the world / politics (they wish I'd shut up!)

And I am so scared of what is happening.

Btw, the IQ test / voting debate - I don't think it is linked to IQ.
I think many people voted 'emotionally' / against something, rather than 'for' something, - and in any case those in power made sure as few actual facts were available as possible to the UK public, as per bloody usual...

bellinisurge · 28/08/2019 11:00

@Apileofballyhoo , say it ain't so on the last bit.

lonelyplanetmum · 28/08/2019 11:01

At what point will the Leavers admit this is not what they voted for?

Worthy of repetition .