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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 11:02

Laura K

Key votes on Queens Speech - which might feel like no deal departure vote billed for 21st and 22nd October

ARoomWithoutADoor · 28/08/2019 11:06

(sorrym can see debates have moved on, late to party as ever!)

Thanks all, for links / info on Proroguing (makes coffee, gets reading)

Hoooo · 28/08/2019 11:06

Well.

Fuck me.

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 11:06

Torygraph (no less) reporting that Netherlands aren't ready for a no deal Brexit which will cause 6-8weeks of problems...

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/26/netherlands-not-ready-cliff-edge-brexit-ports-lacks-customs/

wheresmymojo · 28/08/2019 11:07

I'm not feeling well today political news probably hasn't helped so all I can manage is lying here being a one woman Brexit news agency this morning

Lisette1940 · 28/08/2019 11:10

wheresmymojo I'm so addled I keep reading your user name as wheresmybojo.

Seriously though I hope you feel more yourself soon. 💐

None of us are feeling particularly good at the moment 🤪

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2019 11:10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3677215-Westminstenders-Prorogation?watched=1
New thread.

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 28/08/2019 11:12

Thanks lonely I’ve signed and shared that petition.

Grinchly · 28/08/2019 11:15

I think we're all feeling tense and alarmed. I certainly am, and I apologise again to woman for being snarky on the thread last evening . Thanks

whatever ins and outs go on, the big picture is GE and crash out, with max damage inflicted on those who tried to do the right thing.

If royal assent will in fact be sought today, there is no way of preventing prorogation from what I understand.

vonc next week? GE, crash out, handsome majority for Johnson. Any tories voting against gov will end their careers, to be replaced by more hard right nut jobs.

This has all been very carefully planned.

prettybird · 28/08/2019 11:18

Dominic Grieve saying on Sky News that he's not going into detail about the methods that they will use to thwart BloJob because BloJob is "playing dirty" so is not going to make it easy for him by revealing their hand.

That's the former UK AG saying, very calmly, that the current UK PM, nominally of the same party, is "playing dirty" Shock

lonelyplanetmum · 28/08/2019 11:29

That's the former UK AG saying, very calmly, that the current UK PM, nominally of the same party, is "playing dirty"

Yes one of the very few holders of the highest legal office in the country says this of the PM .

SwedishEdith · 28/08/2019 11:29

Don't agree with everything but they're right about all Leavers didn't vote for this.

EFTA 4 UK
@EFTA4UK

1/ We are absolutely sick to death of people saying "the 17.4 million people wanted this, the 17.4 million wanted that." We are part of that 17.4 million and we didn't vote for a chaotic no-deal brexit. #brexit

2/ no doubt some brexit voters (a small percentage) wanted no deal, but others were promised a bespoke UK deal or something akin to 🇳🇴 or 🇨🇦. There was no WTO4UK campaign that we recall.

3/ if you discount from the 17.4 million all those who wanted various forms of a deal, there isn't even a majority for a no deal brexit. That isn't to say that the UK shouldn't leave, but that information should inform the type of new relationship we have.

4/ People like Farage and Banks have turned brexit into a totemic prize in a wider culture war, symbolic of ultimate victory. The mythical 'true brexit' (which only they can truly define) is always just around the corner.

5/ Now you have almost the entire Conservative Party repeating (almost verbatim) lines from Farage and the Brexit Party, a party that has NO MPs, no Peers and as soon as any brexit is passed, no MEPs. It's a Paper Tiger! 🐅

6/ Just extend article 50 and ask people what type of brexit they want. Give them four or five choices they have to rank in order of preference. If they don't fill it in properly, the voting slip is invalid. Go back to Brussels with a fresh negotiation mandate. /End

I'm not going to watch the news today; finding it genuinely too stressful and it's making me too angry. It definitely feels like Greece now. The irony, of course, is that "We could end up like Greece" was used against Miliband in 2015. Even Clegg came out with that line. 😁

DGRossetti · 28/08/2019 11:39

"We could end up like Greece"

We're already so much worse than Greece ...

BigChocFrenzy · 28/08/2019 11:42

The Queen can NOT prevent prorogue if it is indeed legal;^
she can only stop it if a court case rules it is illegal

Her constitutional duty is not to prevent a govt doing stupid, harmful even unethical things, but to stop ILLEGAL actions

@red Am I right that if the HoC passed a VoNC with a named replacement PM either before prorogation or right after the Queen's speech,
then we could get a new PM in time to ask for an extension?

(if the EU agree) that PM could then chuck the red lines and negotiate a new PD

In that case, MPs can stop No Deal, they just prefer it to JC (or Clarke etc) as PM and / or accepting possibly a soft SM-type Brexit

FractalChaos · 28/08/2019 12:00

From the Telegraph:

^Brexit: The key dates ahead
With Boris Johnson’s cards now firmly on the table, here’s how the parliamentary calendar coming up looks. In short, it looks like that things could run pretty close to the wire:

September 3rd: Parliament reconvenes
Around September 12th: Parliament suspended
September 22th–25th: Labour conference
September 29th–October 2nd: Conservative conference
October 14th: Queen’s Speech
October 17th-18th: European Council
October 21st–22th: Votes on Queen’s Speech
October 31st: Brexit date
Speaker John Bercow has labelled the plans a “outrage”, setting the stage for further constitutional combat^

RHTawneyonabus · 28/08/2019 12:42

Very well played by BJ. After this he must be expecting a Queens speech debate to fail and trigger an election. The timing on this works well for him and he can blame others. We will have crashed out but none of the ill effects will have kicked in.

I can’t believe we have come to this.

ListeningQuietly · 28/08/2019 12:56

Happy October vegetable

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
Myriade · 28/08/2019 13:24

PMK

OhYouBadBadKitten · 28/08/2019 15:12

But we don't know exactly which day yet to hold a general strike.

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