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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 09:40

I was amazed how calmly Ms Cooper talked about the plot to kill her. I'm not sure I'd ever get over something like that and be able to talk about it!

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 09:42

www.thenational.scot/news/17544537.brexit-theresa-may-whipped-tories-to-weaken-scottish-independence-bid/

thenational.scot
May 'whipped Tories to weaken case against Scottish independence'
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THERESA May told her MPs to vote against the Common Market 2.0 in last night's indicative votes, because of fears it could weaken the case against Scottish independence, a BBC journalist has claimed.

Newsnight reporter Nicholas Watt said the Tory leader believed the proposal put forward by her former minister Nick Boles "would have destroyed main pro-UK argument in a Scottish independence referendum”.

The Common Market 2.0, or Norway plus plan, tabled by Boles and backed by MPs from all parties, would commit the Government to joining the European Free Trade Association and European Economic Area.

It would mean the UK remaining part of the EU single market, which in turn would mean freedom of movement.

It was defeated by 282 votes to 261, despite being supported by Labour and the SNP.

In a series of tweets, Watt said May had “ordered a particularly aggressive whipping operation against” the Common Market 2.0 plan.

The report claimed the Prime Minister believed it "could threaten integrity of UK".

An ally of Nick Boles tells he was so angry with Conservatives because Theresa May ordered a particularly aggressive whipping operation against his Common Market 2.0 proposal
— Nicholas Watt (<strong>@nicholaswatt</strong>) April 1, 2019 

He added: "PM feared that if UK stayed in single market through EFTA pillar of EEA that could increase support for Scottish independence.

“SNP would argue in an independence referendum: vote Yes to be fully in EU while maintaining full access to UK market because UK would be in single market.

“PM believes that at a stroke the Boles plan would have destroyed main pro-UK argument in a Scottish independence referendum: stay in UK as the only way to maintain full access to Scotland’s largest market in rest of UK”

That infuriated SNP MPs.

Pete Wishart claimed the Tories were willing to “make the UK poorer and more isolated to stick one to the SNP".

“Where we have been reasonable and conciliatory she has been gaming against independence,” he added.

Deidre Brock called it “disgraceful”.

So May heavily whips against the softer Brexit option tonight in part because she wants to keep trade threats dangling over the people of Scotland for next #Indyref - thought I was beyond being shocked by this place but no! disgraceful <a class="break-all" href="https://t.co/7dfCZWzv8j" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">t.co/7dfCZWzv8j</a>
— Deidre Brock MP (<strong>@DeidreBrock</strong>) April 1, 2019 

She tweeted: “So May heavily whips against the softer Brexit option tonight in part because she wants to keep trade threats dangling over the people of Scotland for next #Indyref - thought I was beyond being shocked by this place but no! disgraceful”

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 09:43

We have a minor ministerial resignation

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Tanith · 03/04/2019 09:43

Thank you Red - that makes it clearer.

keepforgettingmyusername · 03/04/2019 09:44

'I may not support JC as I think he really isn't PM material but I do believe he is genuinely for the people. Today I feel really sorry for him. Its like watching him going to his own demise. If only he had more gumption. If only unicorns existed.........'

Corbyn has been in politics since before quite a few of us were even born. He might look like a sad old geography teacher who just wants to tend his allotment, but he could buy and sell any of us.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 09:44

Nigel Adams MP @ nadams
Following yesterday’s cabinet, this morning I’ve been to Downing Street & resigned my position as UK Govt Minister for Wales & Govt Whip. I’m grateful to the PM for the opportunity to serve as a Minister since 2017 & will continue to serve my constituents from the backbenches.

He wants a managed no deal and thinks Corbyn = customs union.

He wants unicorns.

Westminstenders: The May Compromise
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RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 09:49

Alistair Bunkall @ alibunkallsky
Video has emerged of soldiers on a shooting range in Kabul firing at a target of Jeremy Corbyn. MOD confirms it as legit

Adam Wagner @adamwagner1
This is extremely serious. The soldiers obviously shouldn’t be shooting at pictures of politicians, and now it is public they will be seen by some as setting an example

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lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 09:50

Female MPs seem more of a target for murderers and death threats.Do male MPs receive similar?

The reasonable Leavers out there must have very grave doubts about some of those on their 'side'.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 09:50

So who replaces the never-known Nigel Adams ? A remainer. A leaver. Or maybe even someone from Wales ?

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 09:53

The paras shooting Corbyn story is going to be your story of the day today isn't it?

Twitter is going mental.

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lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 09:55

OMG the news of the soldiers. That defiles the image of honourable servicemen.

And the government have put in place measures to have these troops deployed to implement martial law here should the need arise? Regretting posting on here and putting pictures of the march on FB now.

1tisILeClerc · 03/04/2019 09:56

I had an exceptionally minor part in the private concert Michael Jackson played for the Sultan of Brunei. The contrast between the beggars and street salespersons outside the gates and the degree of opulence 2 metres inside the gates onwards was incredible.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 09:59

Any jury of the Bloody Sunday paratrooper will have that image in their heads.

Does Hanlons Razor still apply ?

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 10:00

The reasonable Leavers out there must have very grave doubts about some of those on their 'side'.

hence my thoughts about conspiracy ...

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 10:00

Patrick McGuire @ patrickkmcguire
One of Boris Johnson’s acolytes in parliament — his house was an informal leadership campaign HQ in 2016

About Nigel Adams

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Tanith · 03/04/2019 10:00

Maybe they'll get John Redwood back Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/04/2019 10:00

Bloody hell.

Violetparis · 03/04/2019 10:01

The news about the soldiers is awful. Part of the reason I am lukewarm at best about a PV is because it will lead to much more division, hatred and hardening of views.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 10:03

Boots starting to slide ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47798088

The US owner of pharmacy chain Boots has warned of possible store closures in the UK as it tries to cut costs.

(contd)

OMGithurts · 03/04/2019 10:04

DGRossetti someone from Wales? Dont be daft Grin

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 10:07

Its unfathomable what is going on in our country now army shooting at pics of JCShock I'm speechless.

hobblingawayslowly · 03/04/2019 10:07

He might look like a sad old geography teacher who just wants to tend his allotment, but he could buy and sell any of us.

Quite. I don't know why people have this impression of him but it's dangerous. He is as ruthless as any other politician.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 10:10

If Corbyns PR team are halfway good, they should have him attending any meeting with May wearing a flak jacket.

For that news story to be "leaked" needs quite a chain of actors. I wonder what the underlying intent is ?

The80sweregreat · 03/04/2019 10:11

Maybe this is J C's chance to let people know he can play hard ball.
Although I still feel it's a trap.
' blame labour' is the Tory mantra ; ( labour do this too of course)
Mud also sticks. He needs his wits about him today.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 10:15

Harry Cole@mrharrycole
Former chief whip and outside leadership contender Mark Harper warns the PM “this is not going to end well”

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