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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 19:35

So here we go again with TM playing her games once again.
How can she expect Corbyn to agree her deal and offer him involvement in the next process when we all know the minute the WA goes through she will resign and the next PM will just tear up agreement struck with JC.
If he doesn't meet her then he will be blamed for a no deal brexit which is her plan anyway. Blame someone else always.
If he meets her then it will be his fault for last minute deal.
The poor guy will be damned whether he does or not. The labour party will be blamed if they can't agree. And everyone knows that the only person who will be compromising will be JC.
I absolutely loathe TM! 7 hours and she came up with framing Corbyn. Playing games with the country she is beyond despicable!angry

Thanks red for threadGin

borntobequiet · 02/04/2019 19:35

Thanks Red and everyone for your company on these threads.

PinkieTuscadero · 02/04/2019 19:36

Those 14 ministers happy to sail on into No Deal should be banned from holding public office.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 02/04/2019 19:38

PMK.

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 19:39

ERG are on now on Sky and its definitely a set up. I see right through it. Framing JC like they have means no one has to resign from cabinet. Fuck fuck fuck to TM.Angry

CheerioHunter · 02/04/2019 19:39

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

Does anyone take anything she says remotely seriously?
She draws so many lines, makes declarations and vows and when it comes to the crunch she comes up with a few more red lines, to distract he fact shes going against her previous ones.

Hideous spineless * * person

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 19:42

These words from TMs statement keep ringing in my ears.....' I told you we would be alright with a no deal........and that is what she is heading for blaming JC into the bargain because there IS going to be a GE and she wants to damage the labour party before she swans off.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 02/04/2019 19:43

Pmk
Thanks for the incisive summary Red. Brilliant threads; my first port of call for Brexit updates.

Thé EU negotiaters are patient; Michel Barnier, Donald Tusk
However it needs all EU27 to agree.
Macron is definitely losing patience.
However he is having meetings with Irish premier, Leo Varadkar, so hopefully it is just tough guy rhetoric and he will vote with the EU27 to grant an extension.

Sostenueto · 02/04/2019 19:44

I'm so sick of TMs dirty tricks. The bloody people on sky are so fucking naive and stupid! ( sorry about so much swearing I'm very very very upset!)AngryBlush

prettybird · 02/04/2019 19:44

Squirrel cat in a not so royal position Wink

grumpyyetgorgeous - apparently the secret whipping was at least partly because Boles' Common Market 2.0 with FoM (which was why the SNP supported it) albeit with an emergency brake would have made it "too easy" for Scotland to go for independence less painfully due to frictionless trade with England Angry (see also: NI/Ireland and the GFA and the fact that it would solve the issue of the backstop Confused). If England FUKD is going to go to hell, the Conservatives are determined to make sure that Scotland goes down with it Angry

I must go back to stroking my squirrel purrballs to reduce my blood pressure Wink

Westminstenders: The May Compromise
Flowerplower · 02/04/2019 19:45

Oh...I want to see squirrel cat! But I don't see a photo prettybird?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/04/2019 19:46

Basically she thinks that Corbyn is going to be easier to push over than her own lot.

chocolateworshipper · 02/04/2019 19:49

Boris isn't happy. That's cheered me up. Where's Farage?

Holidayshopping · 02/04/2019 19:50

What a mess Sad

SusanWalker · 02/04/2019 19:50

Flowers for Hasenstein and Wine Gin Cake Brew for everyone, pick your favourite.

I agree is no deal, with blame divided between TM and Labour, in the hopes she can then resign, pass the baton on and Tories can win next election with a blame Theresa, not us, ticket.

Flowerplower · 02/04/2019 19:52

Boris allegedly isn't happy. Wtf knows what he's really thinking!

NoWordForFluffy · 02/04/2019 19:52

Give just said that if the EU27 don't give an extension then it'll be no deal. There you go, it's all the EU's and Labour's fault.

Hopefully JC will be well-briefed by Keir who won't be stupid enough to trust TM, and will make sure Labour don't get blame pegged on them. They might be useless as opposition, but the huge amount of blame lies with TM's Tories.

LonelyTiredandLow · 02/04/2019 19:52

PriMarKing

NoWordForFluffy · 02/04/2019 19:52

Gove. Sodding autocorrect.

MayhemandMadness01 · 02/04/2019 19:54

Pmk

Yaralie · 02/04/2019 19:54

Corbyn, just yesterday, very late in the day, committed the Labour Party to a second referendum. But can we trust him to stand by that promise?

Wakemeuuuup · 02/04/2019 19:54

I'm finally delurking. Thank you red and everyone else for these threads, they're the only thing keeping me even remotely sane

RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:54

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
NEW: Just how divided is May’s cabinet? Told there was a vote: 10 cabinet ministers wanted a long ext; 14 wanted a No Deal or a short ext; 2 sat on their hands 1/2

Brexiteer cabinet source tells me “very worrying signs” about events today amid fears she’ll now soften red lines. Resignations? ‘People will sit tight for now & see how it plays out’ 2/2

More from cabinet: Those most vocal in opposing an extension were Andrea Leadsom, Gavin Williamson and Liz Truss. Cox apparently said govt should give Labour whatever they wanted to get it through - and Gove supported him

More from cabinet (remain wing source): This is a pragmatic way forward. Support for extension was 17 to 4, and of the 17 only 2 were particularly concerned with a long extension. The 4 opposed to any ext = Williamson, Mordaunt, Grayling, Truss

More from cabinet; So there were 4 No Dealers And I'm told there were a short ext group (11); Fox, Hunt, Javid, Perry, Wright, Leadsom, Evans, Barclay, Brokenshire, Cairns, Lewis v Long Ext (10); Gauke, Hancock, Hammond, Clark, Lidington, Mundell, Gove, Rudd, Cox. Bradley

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Tanith · 02/04/2019 19:55

Hopefully JC will be well-briefed by Keir who won't be stupid enough to trust TM, and will make sure Labour don't get blame pegged on them.

If he's got any sense, he'll take Keir in with him.

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 19:55

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