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Westminstenders: For Whom the Bell Tolls

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RedToothBrush · 01/04/2019 22:59

Although another round of Indicative Votes is scheduled, arguably the chance for a soft Brexit has gone for two reasons.

Parliament was unable to show a majority because those on the opposition benches were too busy saying 'I want this but only on these terms' or still being too unwilling to compromise. Thus the opportunity and point for a third round starts to look weak.

The second is that Tory MPs were resolute in an opposition to a soft Brexit.

Unless May decides to be the next Robert Peel and go for a soft Brexit on the back of opposition vote its not going to happen.

This leaves May's deal as it stands or no deal.

May seems to have actually lost a few supporters of her deal since Friday, and given the performance of the opposition tonight and the prospect of round 3 of indicative votes they will still be unwilling to go for May's deal.

Which leaves no deal.

There is talk of a managed no deal. There is no such thing. The EU plan for that is essentially to push us into the deal in order to get a trading relationship.

And that will push us closer to the us. Which is what many torys want. And what polling seems to suggest they will have surprising support for.

Sorry folks but it don't look great tonight.

The opposition benches may look back on tonight and think they screwed it. I hope I'm wrong. But I fear tonight might have sealed our fate.

Tomorrow may has a 5hr cabinet. And a secret document dmfor the cabinet to study first.

It's going to get bumpy from here on in...

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 02/04/2019 16:05

hasenstein so sorry for your loss Flowers, you really don't need all this crap on top of an already bad situation

BercowsSilkTie · 02/04/2019 16:05

@MrPan  I think @DanaSchmidt has swallowed the Brexitannia Dictionary  isn't that so @TheElementsSong Grin

ElenadeClermont · 02/04/2019 16:05

@Hasenstein Sorry for your loss. Flowers

DanaSchmidt · 02/04/2019 16:05

Downton Abbey? What are you on about. You are suggesting that if we have low corporation tax then the police will be bribed, healthcare and education will cease to be free and the sky will fall in?
Goodness me. Free up red tape on business, let them expand, we are open for business. The EU is about 8% of the worlds trade lets trade with them but we dont need to be in a political union with these people that dont represent our best interests.
The EU is a failed project, Greece bankrupt, Italy so in debt it will never be able to repay. But these EU elites don't care, it is the biggest racket going.

BercowsSilkTie · 02/04/2019 16:07

@Hasenstein Thanks thinking of you and your family

jasjas1973 · 02/04/2019 16:07

@DanaSchmidt

You should try and curb your day time drinking.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/04/2019 16:07

@Hasenstein, I'm so sorry for your and your DW's loss. And that this shit show is having such an awful effect on what is already a traumatic and upsetting time for you. Flowers

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 16:08

Dana, the tabloids and the unicorns are that way —>

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 02/04/2019 16:08

So sorry HassensteinFlowers hope you and your Dh are ok.

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 16:09

I saw some Brexit graffiti today: “Brexit - you were sold a lie.”

Take note Dana.

PinkieTuscadero · 02/04/2019 16:09

Dana - are you the sole competitor in your own game of Brexit bingo?

Grin Grin

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 02/04/2019 16:10

Dana, try not talking in tedious soundbites, we've heard them all before. Your vision of a post-Brexit Britain is a fantasy, a and a highly damaging one at that.

DanaSchmidt · 02/04/2019 16:12

Tatiana, I only read the Daily Telegraph

67chevvyimpala · 02/04/2019 16:12

So sorry hasenstein 💐

Littlespaces · 02/04/2019 16:12

Dana - Let's hope it is great.

However are you really willing to trigger a descent into economic chaos? I fear the Northern Leave heartlands would be completely screwed.

horseshit · 02/04/2019 16:12

Dana, I respectfully refer you to my username.

TheElementsSong · 02/04/2019 16:13

Nah-uh-uh-uh, I'm not going anywhere near Dana in case there's something communicable - @howabout I think this one is one of yours please Grin

Hasenstein · 02/04/2019 16:13

Thanks for all your kind thoughts; Westminstenders really is like a family, just about the only good thing to have come out of all this Brexit shit.

I never knew my own mother, so MiL was (as she always put it) my Ersatzmutter. She was 94 and had had dementia for the past few years, but it's still a blow when it happens. She was a very kind person and I shall miss her dreadfully.

Bellini - unfortunately, only flights to where we're going are Ryanair, who aren't known for the milk of human kindness in dealing with their customers! And it's more hassle than it's worth trying to get to Stansted for a very early flight. So car it is and just risk the hassle of Dover/Calais.

I'm sure all the ERG members are distraught at the thought they're causing such disruption to the lives of millions of people they've never met. Maybe Mark Francois will be eager for for a stare-down contest to show how much he cares.

DGRossetti · 02/04/2019 16:13

The word trolling appears on this thread, and a few moments later, DanaSchmidt pops up ...

DanaSchmidt · 02/04/2019 16:14

Why a fantasy? Why is doing your own trade deals a fantasy? Why is controlling your own fishing waters a fantasy? Why is controlling immigration and freedom of movement a fantasy? It doesnt have to be this way.

TheElementsSong · 02/04/2019 16:16

The word trolling appears on this thread

To be fair, they seem to be blowing a breath of "fresh" BeLeaver air all over the section, not just here.

DanaSchmidt · 02/04/2019 16:18

Please don't be rude to me, I'm not rude to anybody.
I accept I am in the minority here on the Remain Brexit Forum.

Why is everyone a Debbie Downer regarding taking control of our own country. Odd. Imagine the USA being controlled by another country or China, or Russia? it wouldnt happen. We trade with the world on our terms, we dont need a political union of europhiles, hell bent on out national identity being erased.

MorelloKisses · 02/04/2019 16:18

Dana - genuine question. Which countries would be your priority for negotiating trade deals with and are you willing to provide the necessary concessions to get them agreed?

Littlespaces · 02/04/2019 16:19

Well, even if that is the case other people might be interested in why it is all a barrel of shit.