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Westminstenders: May plays Sale of the Century

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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2018 12:17

Theresa May is currently in the midst of a campaign to sell her deal to the public. Unfortunately she appears that there are only 649 people she needs to sell it to, and that's not going so well.

She attempted a sales pitch to potential Labour rebels and succeeded in getting them to actively decide to vote against her.

There are currently 100 backbench tories who have stated they will vote against it, which makes parliamentary maths very difficult.

There is a rising support for plan b in the form of Norway Plus. This may make Remainers less likely to vote for a deal but persuade some leavers to back May.

The ECJ A50 Court case has been heard. Judgment has not been given yet. Its due 'soon'.

Next week the Withdrawal Agreement will be debated in Parliament with the vote due at 7pm on Tuesday 11th December.

Expect a rough couple of weeks.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:29

The Girl Guides could manage to beat this lot

You've not been reading the feminist section lately have you? The girl guides have forgotten what safeguarding is. They are as bad as this lot.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:30

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
MPs now voting on the contempt motion - it may be very, very close - most of ERG expected to vote with govt (for once!) and some Labour MP s aren't around today - result in about five minutes

some Labour MP s aren't around today???!!!

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.

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1tisILeClerc · 04/12/2018 16:33

{ The girl guides have forgotten what safeguarding is. They are as bad as this lot}
If some of the girls in my Scout troop were involved there would be heads on spikes!

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:34

PARLY @ParlyApp
@joswinson baby in the chamber during the vote

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:36

Emma Vardy @EmmaVardyTV
We’re at the scene of a shooting in West Belfast. Police and ambulance service attending the incident on the Glen Road outside St Mary’s School

Am being told that a number of children and parents witnessed the shooting which happened near the school gates as lessons were finishing

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Grinchly · 04/12/2018 16:40

Here we go

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 16:41

Wow!

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:42

Here we go on the contempt vote.

307 to 311 Majority of 4.

Government loss.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:43

Labour Whips @labourwhips
BREAKING: Extraordinary, the Government have been defeated and go down in ignominy as being the first Government found in contempt of Parliament. Theresa May’s in contempt and incompetent Govt must now publish the full and final legal advice from the Attorney General. Lost by 4

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:44

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
That's seriously bad news for Theresa May. Majority wiped out by Lab and DUP and others. Next vote is the big one.

I guess its Grieve III up next then.

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DGRossetti · 04/12/2018 16:45

BBC is curiously slow to flag this up as "Breaking news" ...

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:45

Tom Harwood @tomhfh
It was the DUP wot won it.

I don't know if this is true or not. Will be interesting to see who voted for what.

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prettybird · 04/12/2018 16:46

....and this is supposed to be surprising? ...... Wink

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:46

No sorry, this next vote is the contempt vote. The previous was the amendment on the contempt vote.

This is very confusing.

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prettybird · 04/12/2018 16:47

...that was to DGR

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:48

I think journalists are struggling as much as me to understand whats going on though.

Sam Coates seems to know what is going on

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Now onto to the Labour motion - if gvt loses this too, sources say Parliament will have found government in contempt for the first time in history

result 16.55

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:48

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
That's only the 3rd time govt has lost a vote (apart from non-Opposition day debates) - and strangely, defeated by 4 votes every time

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:49

Robert Peston @Peston
For the avoidance of doubt, Labour whips have climaxed too soon - government lost amendment not main vote on contempt. But chances are May will lose

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DGRossetti · 04/12/2018 16:49

Dipping in and out of this thread while watching S3(E5) of The Last Kingdom Grin

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 16:51

steve hawkes @steve_hawkes
You are seeing in Westminster this week why Labour have been so keen to keep John Bercow in place

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
yup - and apparently his role was discussed at Cabinet this morning (i'll bet)

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Grinchly · 04/12/2018 16:52

Next vote is the biggie - the contempt one

Rememory · 04/12/2018 16:52

Sorry to be obtuse - what happens if the gov lose this vote?

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 16:53

They are found in contempt of parliament but no one knows what the 'punishment' might be.

Bad news for May whatever

Rememory · 04/12/2018 16:53

Ah they have to publish the full Brexit legal advice

prettybird · 04/12/2018 16:58

No one is quite sure what the additional punishment would be. Technically, they'd have to publish the full legal advice - but the government might even choose to stay in contempt Shock

One commentator suggested that Cox, as AG, might take the fall and be suspended. Possibly more ministers. This might make future Government votes even more interesting Grin