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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:51

Comey investigating Russia links. Comey sacked on the advice of Sessions who lied about Russia links under oath.

Sounds like an FBI purge is on the cards.

Just when you think that we've got it bad here. Apparently 20 states have banned protests since the Election too.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:56

This is the Coup.

Ben White‏ @morningmoneyben
The President of the United States just fired the man overseeing an investigation into the President of the United States.

No longer a democracy. Its been on the way since November. This is the final stage.

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squoosh · 09/05/2017 22:58

Wow. Trump is clearly a frightened man.

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:01

Andrea Chalupa‏*@AndreaChalupa*
Haven't shared this yet but I also heard from credible source arrests & indictments were coming. Now Comey fired. The Republic is in danger.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:10

George Eccles‏*@gweccles*

BREAKING NEWS: Bordeaux lawyer to challenge Brexit's legality in European court as human rights of 5m expats unable to vote violated #bbcdp

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squoosh · 09/05/2017 23:14

I can't imagine that the FBI, CIA et al will take this lying down.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/05/2017 23:21

So confusing Confused
Washington Post article says Comey was sacked because
"a conclusion by Justice Department officials that he had mishandled the probe of Hillary Clinton’s emails."

< but of course Trump gladly took the recommendation and sacked him >

"Tuesday memo from the Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, laying out the rationale behind Comey’s dismissal:

“The FBI’s reputation and credibility have suffered substantial damage, and it has affected the entire Department of Justice
I cannot defend the director’s handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton’s emails, and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken.
Almost everyone agrees that the director made serious mistakes;
it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives.’’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004story.html?hpid=hpp_hp-top-table-highcomey-1030a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utmm_term=.fa1199419b31

I'm nostalgic for the days of Nixon & Watergate - so much clearer what was happening !

Then, Nixon fired Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox who had subpeonaed his tapes
(well, eventually fired him - the Attorney-General and Deputy AG refused to do so and resigned)

That outraged the US public and the Congress turned against him, startingntheir first moves to impeach him.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/05/2017 23:23

"Comey’s decision-making during the Clinton inquiry has come under sustained criticism from Democrats — including Clinton — who say it was a major factor that contributed to her presidential election defeat in November to Donald Trump."

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:29

Trump said he was not being investigated.

Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently
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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:31

Comey was due to testify before the senate on thursday.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:35

Lots of comparisons with Nixon. Not the same.

Trump will never resign. He'd have to be dragged from the White House. And that would probably involve a shoot out first.

Trump will be around for a long time. Or one of his minions.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 23:39

Sarah Kendzior‏ @sarahkendzior
Members of the IC and gov need to make information about the investigation public. We have crossed a threshold today with firing of Comey
Investigation has been semi-public knowledge for nearly a year. Officials like Reid, Waters, others repeatedly said public has right to know

This is why the media is the last line of defence.

Two problems:

Media too intimidated / weak to challenge Trump. Have repeatedly proved themselves to be.
Large number of GOP compromised and too intimidated / weak to challenge Trump.

They'd need to be a pretty damning tape made public....

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SwedishEdith · 09/05/2017 23:49

Christopher HayesVerified account @chrislhayes
We're in uncharted territory.

Garry Kasparov Retweeted Christopher Hayes

To the contrary, this territory has been very well charted in Russia, Turkey and Venezuela, to name a few. Trump is reading from that
Autocrats grab power wherever they can. Like the Syrian missile strike, it's Trump seeing what he can do without checks & balances.
The shock people are expressing is another example of what I wrote about in February, of assuming that traditions & conventions are laws

We all think it can't get that bad, someone will step in and sort this out before it goes too far. Well, where are they?

ShiningArmour · 09/05/2017 23:55

America is getting very very dark absolutely.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 00:08

Well, where are they?

Correction. Where WERE they past tense.
There has been enough opportunity.

The bottom line is the GOP get to do all they ever wanted with out having to wonder if it's constitutional anymore. If course they won't stand up to Trump. He's a means to an end.

This ends up going one of two ways in my opinion. A series of events marginalising and persecuting to god knows what degree. Or there is an uprising ultimately.

I smell blood in the air one way or another. Tyranny is coming.

Tomorrow will also be a telling day for UK. I'm not expecting a CPS prosecution. That would put CONs above the law... And give every incentive to manipulate the system as much as possible.

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OlennasWimple · 10/05/2017 01:02

TL:DR - America's fucked Sad Angry

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 05:31

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/09/politics/grand-jury-fbi-russia/index.html
CNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 05:35

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/09/brexit-is-starting-to-bite-that-s-why-they-want-you-to-shut
Brexit is starting to bite - that's why they want you to shut up

Ian Dunt

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 05:55

www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/
Wisconsin’s Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000 Votes in 2016 (Trump Won by 22,748)
Remember how dead keen Eric Pickles was about introducing voter ID here...

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woman12345 · 10/05/2017 06:05

Shock, thought so, it's all text book coups.
Thank God for the EU, it's all we have now.
Pinchochet was overthrown(and others)

woman12345 · 10/05/2017 06:12

News of Macron's victory has spurred Trump. NF in France on the slide and 27 nations still not going fascisty, it's a power grab with May as handmaid in chief.

Posting from Trump thread, Trump muslim ban erased from BBC website.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-39852694/trump-muslim-ban-plan-erased-from-website

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 06:17

www.coppolacomment.com/2017/05/intergenerational-unfairness.html?m=1
Interesting blog on baby boomer entitlement

The sad truth is that the baby boomers have not paid for their pensions and benefits. This chart - from research carried out in 2004, and cited in the Government's recent report on intergenerational fairness - shows that everyone born before 1971 will contribute less in tax over their lifetimes than they receive from the state, once things like free education and the NHS are taken into account

We should not be fooled by the percentages here. The oldest generation have paid in considerably less than they receive, but in money terms they both paid and received much less than those born since the war. Financially speaking, the people who have taken the most and paid the least are my own generation, those born 1956-61.

Of course, this research is out of date. The Government's report calls for further research to be undertaken, to determine what the situation is now. But it seems unlikely that the balance between tax and receipts has improved. It is more likely to have deteriorated, since people are living longer, state pensions and benefits have risen and the cost of the NHS is rocketing.

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woman12345 · 10/05/2017 06:18

On day GOP and potentially, tories found out on electoral fraud they shut down opposition.

May can ignore it, but everything the tories passed, including the referendum are illegitimate, surely if her majority was gained allegedly by fraud. What mandate could she have to inherit in 2015?

Surely constitutional lawyers will be all over this.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2017 06:23

Rudy Giuliani will be FBI director.

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woman12345 · 10/05/2017 06:25

What the f red. I was going to post it and thought it was a fucking joke.

Journalist arrested in US for asking questions now, is Michael Crick next?

thehill.com/homenews/administration/332675-reporter-arrested-for-asking-hhs-secretary-price-healthcare-questions