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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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woman12345 · 11/05/2017 20:17

I was also thinking, though of getting people to register to vote. That's what swung it for Obama, and Clinton too. There seems to have been no campaigns encouraging people to register to vote.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/get-free-beer-by-registering-to-vote/

This is all I could find.......free beer to vote.
Worried landlords and brewers?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/08/snap-election-raises-risk-of-democratic-deficit-say-youth-vote-campaigners

^Who will decide UK's future?': warning as funding for youth vote campaigns slashed
Funding provided by Cabinet Office in past elections to groups that aim to boost turnout will not be available this time due to snap election^

Pesky youth to be disenfranchised.

On my local 48% group, some teens are encouraging each other to register through social media, but other than that............................

woman12345 · 11/05/2017 20:18

I see, UKIP want to win seats. (duh). thanks

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 20:19

Election Data‏*@election*_data

No UKIP candidate in Delyn. 6,150 votes in 2015, a majority of 2,930 for Labour over the Tories.
No UKIP candidate in Bath. 2,922 votes last time, mostly former Conservatives. Majority of 3,833 votes for Tories over Lib Dems
No UKIP candidate in Camborne and Redruth. Was a tight Con-LD marginal in 2010. UKIP got 6,776 votes in 2015, majority is 7,004.
No UKIP candidate in Cheadle
No UKIP candidate in Clwyd West
No UKIP candidate in Alec Shelbourne's seat of Elmet & Rothwell
No UKIP candidate in Leeds North East. 3,706 votes last time, majority of 7,250 for Labour over Conservatives
No UKIP candidate in Leeds NW where @alexsobel is up against LD's Greg Mulholland again. UKIP got 3,000 votes in 2015, majority is 3,000
BIG NEWS: No UKIP candidate in @edballs former seat of Morley & Outwood. They got 7,951 votes in 2015; majority is just 422.
No UKIP candidate in Pudsey. UKIP got 4,689 votes in 2015. Majority is 4,501 for the Tories over Labour.
No UKIP candidate in Ben Bradshaw's Exeter seat. UKIP got 5,000 votes in 2015; majority is 7,183 votes for Labour over Tories

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Peregrina · 11/05/2017 20:29

Gratifyingly, UKIP are standing in my constituency. There are relatively few Labour voters, but there were nearly 4000 UKIP voters last time. Many of us are hoping that they stick to their guns and still vote for UKIP and don't return to the Tory fold.

BestIsWest · 11/05/2017 20:51

We have UKIP, Independents, and a Pirate party candidate. Last time Tories beat Labour by 27 votes. If the kippers go Tory it'll be all over Sad. However Labour did much better than expected at the council elections last week plus I think there will be a lot of tactical voting going on.

Labour manifesto seems to be going down quite well.

HashiAsLarry · 11/05/2017 21:04

I know who's standing in my area for Tories, Lib Dems and Labour now. Not sure UKIP are, but this guy is based here and stood last time:

UKIP Brexit Spokesman calls Islam a Death Cult

Brexit could be sorted in an afternoon

Between him and our Tory who is so far to the right I don't know why UKIP even got votes, they got just under 74% of the votes.

I despair.

Though at least he thinks we should guarantee the rights of EU citizens working here if it can be reciprocated, which is definitely more left wing than our Tory.

BiglyBadgers · 11/05/2017 21:06

My dh works in a uni and is very frustrated with the student union there who are seemingly completely uninterested in trying to engage the students to vote. I am thinking of sneaking up there are leaving register to vote leaflets scattered about the place.

BestIsWest · 11/05/2017 21:13

I have to say my DCs and their friends are all very engaged. DD(24) is on a mission to get all her colleagues to register and vote. She was shocked at how many of them weren't bothering with the local elections.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 21:26

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Big intervention from the former Prime Minister, canvassing for Theresa MAy's team in Cheshire...
Cameron in Nantwich says he wants May to "win well" so she can "stand up to people that want an extreme Brexit, either here or in Brussels"
So thats former PM saying a large Tory majority will help Mrs May stand up to those in her own party as well as Brussels on "extreme Brexit"
... this is the argument that won in currency markets, that large majority, would see Mrs May able to compromise, which led to sterling rise
.. this is not the argument that has actually been made by the Conservative leader herself at any point, or the Party, explicitly
... indeed "vote May to stand up to extreme Brexit" might not be the way to consolidate those 2015 Ukip voters currently flocking Tory ...
... & Ukip leader Nuttall has declared: "the mask slips, Cameron's comments are exactly what we thought all along. May a remainer at heart"

Nigel Farage‏ @Nigel_Farage
David Cameron lets the cat out of the bag. A big Tory majority softens Brexit.

Katie‏*@supermathskid*

I'm no political hack. But it seems to me that one thing the Tories are very good at is showing an obedient front.
So suggesting that, if in power, the extremists will be curbed, when the leader of the party is toeing that extremist line suggests to me
either: 1. Cameron is lying, or 2. Cameron is suggesting that May is lying.
Neither would surprise me in the least, of course. It's just interesting how barefaced they are about spinning lines, I guess.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:27

Probably the only good point about Theresa May getting a huge majority, even 50+%, is that she and the Tory Party will totally own the consequences of Brexit

The public has a short memory, but the Brexit pain is likely to last several years, worsened by the cuts that the Torygraph says she will have to make.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 21:34

Kris Kobach who is responsible for Cross Check (Voter Suppression Con) is to be Vice Chair of Trump's "Presidential Commission on Election Integrity".

No prizes for guessing what that means.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:36

(Times paywall) Trump knows there aren’t really any rules

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/trump-knows-there-aren-t-really-any-rules-7s0d2jgzb

< grim but realistic assessment >

"Trump is an instinctive politician, not a calculating one.
He not only thinks anything is fair in politics but he seems to cleave to a personal version of Nixon’s infamous phrase “When the president does it, that means it is not illegal”.
As with tax and land deals, if he can get away with something, then it’s legitimate.
He saw the opportunity to axe Comey and he took it."

"Trump understands that what educated people believe to be the rules just aren’t.
They’re conventions or else they rely upon people in certain positions to uphold them.

If, for whatever reason — party advantage, say, or popular sentiment — those people choose not to uphold them, then the rules disappear like smoke.

They’re conventions, maintained as much by establishment presumption as by law.
And if public opinion does not side with those presumptions, then they can be flouted."

"Many of the US government’s famous checks and balances only check and balance if you want them to.

It has always been possible, given the wrong combination of people and circumstances, or the necessities of war and conflict, to get round the intentions of the framers of the constitution.

Ask the Japanese-American internees of the Second World War.

In the end the guarantee has been the people themselves.
Trump — and many Republicans (though not all) — have decided that many of the supposed constraints on their behaviour, especially press and establishment reaction, can be brushed off with tweets and brazennesss.

If public opinion allows them to, they can pretty much get away with anything, and will."

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:38

Getting that way in the UK, especially not having a constitution, or a first amendment supposedly guaranteeing freedom of speech and of the press

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:39

not having a written constitution

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:41

oops and ouch !

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-turmoil-grows-as-corbyns-car-runs-over-cameraman-700fctgc3

"A car carrying Jeremy Corbyn ran over the foot of a BBC cameraman this afternoon, on a tumultuous day for the Labour leader after the leak of his general election policies.

The episode occurred as Mr Corbyn arrived at the Institution of Engineering and Technology in central London for the formal “Clause V” meeting to sign off the party manifesto.

The vehicle was driven by officers from the Metropolitan Police’s royalty and specialist protection unit and Scotland Yard faces an investigation over the incident.
Giles Wooltorton, the cameraman, was taken to hospital with a bruised and swollen foot. He was said to be in good spirits while waiting for the ambulance."

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 21:42

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/11/choppers-election-podcast-jean-claude-juncker-trying-get-sack/
Jean-Claude Juncker is trying to get me the sack, says David Davis

Or is someone worried about a reshuffle???

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LurkingHusband · 11/05/2017 21:44

Cameron in Nantwich

(Obscure Spinal Tap reference)

Ah, the other dead one.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2017 21:47

Guy Verhofstadt: MEPs will block Brexit deal if citizens' rights are ignored May warned

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/meps-will-veto-any-brexit-deal-that-fails-to-uphold-citizens-rights

"MEPs will veto any Brexit deal that fails to uphold the rights of EU citizens, the European parliament’s Brexit coordinator has said, in a warning shot to Theresa May’s government.

Guy Verhofstadt said the parliament would block any Brexit deal that failed to offer adequate protections for 3.5 million EU nationals in the UK and 1.2 million Britons in Europe.

Citizens’ rights would be a crucial factor in determining whether parliament gave its consent, he said. “We will never give consent if the issues of citizens’ rights, on both sides, has not been dealt with in a satisfactory way.”

Verhofstadt was speaking at a special session in the parliament on Thursday to examine the legal and political minefield facing 4.7 million people on the wrong side of the Brexit divide."

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 21:59

Tom Whipple‏*@whippletom*
This is why I approve of Labour’s plan to ban unpaid internships. 1/n
In 2005, I was trying to get into journalism, doing a week here and a week there. 2/n
The only way I could afford it was to stay at St Paul’s Youth Hostel. 3/n

Thread continues here:
twitter.com/whippletom/status/862762761679515648

It doesn't go the way you think it will Grin !

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:03

Otto English‏*@Otto*_English

Message from a friend who works in Whitehall #GE2017

Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently
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TatianaLarina · 11/05/2017 22:06

How has it taken a year for the government to realise what everyone else got last summer?

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:09

No. Not everyone else got last summer.

Westministenders did. Lots of remainers did.

Lots of people didn't. And STILL don't.

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:14

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/poll-shows-people-love-labours-10404216#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Poll shows people LOVE Labour's manifesto policies - but don't rate Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister

A new ComRes survey for the Mirror shows overwhelming support for plans to nationalise energy, tax the wealthiest and cap the pension age rise

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HashiAsLarry · 11/05/2017 22:17

OMG that twitter thread is awesome rtb

TBF the government were only allowing those who showed the right level of enthusiasm to work on brexit. Seems reality bites even those with adequate enthusal eventually.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:23

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2927046-Westministenders-Before-the-Fire-Alarm-of-Rome-goes-off?watched=1

I'm off to bed, but here's a new thread for the morning.

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