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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/05/2017 20:15

I wondered if wheeling Mr May out is the Ivanka strategy: your leader is a swivel-eyed loon, but look how calm & sane their husband/daughter is. They'll have a calming influence on the leader. Honest! [On the Ivanka front, the Americans have been sold a pup - she's a chip off the old block.]

Everytimeref · 09/05/2017 20:16

Apparently Corbyn is making a visit to the sofa in a couple of weeks.

ElenaGreco123 · 09/05/2017 20:17

Cremolafoam Corbyn is going on the One sofa apparently, but on his own without his wife.

SwedishEdith · 09/05/2017 20:18

I couldn't watch it either churlishly but it's all part of the Presidentialising of this election. Michael Crick was more fun on C4 News.

BiglyBadgers · 09/05/2017 20:23

I think all the countries should give us maximum points in the Eurovision song contest just to spite the brexiteers. They would be so furious if we won Grin

lalalonglegs · 09/05/2017 20:32

The Michael Crick report on Ch 4 News interesting - he followed TM being charmless in York and Leeds and interviewed some workers in the factory at which she had spoken. And astonishingly, they said they had been swayed by her despite having voted Labour in the past. What is it that I'm not getting about her? How is she able to convince people that she's great despite not having any published policies/people skills and having a disastrous track record both at the HO and as PM. |t can't just be down to Corbyn.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/05/2017 20:42

And astonishingly, they said they had been swayed by her despite having voted Labour in the past.

I thought the guy was being deliberately shocking so his interview would be broadcast. I doubt he will vote Tory.

GlassOfPort · 09/05/2017 20:45

Regarding the polls, do we think there could be an hidden group of "shy Labour voters"?

Given the press he deservedly gets, could it be that some people are becoming reluctant to tell pollsters they are going to vote for JC?

woman12345 · 09/05/2017 20:50

Boys Hmm what can you do? illegitimateMortificadospawn
I suspect they were apprentices, no one can speak out honestly in British work places now. May is only visiting the trapped.

French election is looking better and better.
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/09/ex-pm-valls-declares-french-socialists-dead-after-macron-victory

Marine Le Pen's niece abandons politics after Front National's heavy defeat

This will create a huge disappointment ... Marion represented a hope for the future for many FN voters and activists,” Le Pen senior told Le Figaro, adding that if there was no good explanation, the move amounted to “a desertion

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, one of FN’s two MPs, will not stand for re-election, as ex-PM Manuel Valls seeks candidacy with Macron’s En Marche

What is the best French wine to go with victory Smile

Express ban on French food is a great incentive.

woman12345 · 09/05/2017 21:02

Election 2017: Labour cuts Conservative poll lead by eight points
Confused
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-latest-updates-labour-conservative-tory-poll-lead-cut-8-points-a7726526.html

HashiAsLarry · 09/05/2017 21:24

Courtesy of @twoptips
THERESA MAY, gain public approval for the Fox Hunt by setting your dogs on Liam Fox and Jeremy Hunt.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/05/2017 21:46

woman That Kantar poll: CON 44%(-4), LAB 28%(+4), LDEM 11%(nc), UKIP 8%(+1), 11% Don't Know
It may partly be a reversion to the mean after their previous poll showed a 24-pt lead, which was out of line with the other pollsters

Full Kantar tables:
uk.kantar.com/ge2017/2017/characteristics-associated-with-may-and-corbyn/

Voters currently seem to see May as efficient and Corbyn as human.
Pity we can't have both qualities in the same pol.

"British public were most likely to think of Theresa May as

  • decisive (72% vs 28% Jeremy Corbyn)
  • a good negotiator (66% vs 34%), and having good attention to detail (66% vs 34%).

In contrast, Jeremy Corbyn is more likely to be seen as

  • is in touch with ordinary people (57% vs 43% Theresa May)
  • and interested in other people’s lives (55% vs 45%)."
woman12345 · 09/05/2017 22:12

Thanks for that BigChoc

Voters currently seem to see May as efficient and Corbyn as human

It's a choice between Pinonchet and a 70s sitcom version of a politician.

28% Sad

JC is greeted like a visiting saint on his public outings. Rumour that Bernie is about to endorse him.......bad move on both sides I'd say.
If he had half a brain he'd have Macron's team all over his campaign, and learn how to do walking, talking and planning.

I like Madam President's 'You have just shit in my handbag' expression when answering questions from proles in the factory on the Channel 4 trip.

HesterThrale · 09/05/2017 22:13

Disappointing that a cross-party attempt to unseat Jeremy Hunt won't go ahead. National Labour Party have dismissed local party members for promoting the idea:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/09/labour-expels-south-west-surrey-members-attempt-unseat-jeremy-hunt

HesterThrale · 09/05/2017 22:23

CPS will release their decision re election expenses case tomorrow. (BBC1 news tonight).

Motheroffourdragons · 09/05/2017 22:24

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GlassOfPort · 09/05/2017 22:24

Did I get this right: trying to unseat Jeremy Hunt is a cause for immediate expulsion, but saying that Hitler was a Zionist gets you a suspension? Angry

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:27

Did I get this right: trying to unseat Jeremy Hunt is a cause for immediate expulsion, but saying that Hitler was a Zionist gets you a suspension?

Yes.

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SwedishEdith · 09/05/2017 22:27

Telegraph reporting this so cautious of their motive.

'Exclusive: 100 moderate Labour MPs to form breakaway group if Jeremy Corbyn stays on after a Tory landslide'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/09/exclusive-100-moderate-labour-mps-form-breakaway-group-jeremy/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:31

That's a bit of an assumption: What are the chance of 100 Moderate Labour MPs surviving?

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:32

Mirror Politics‏*@MirrorPolitics*
Prosecutors to reveal if they'll prosecute Tory MPs for election fraud tomorrow morning

That's a no then.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:35

Robert Peston

In so many ways this is a weird general election. And among the weirdest of its events will come tomorrow when the Crown Prosecution Service will announce whether to prosecute any Tory candidates for breaches of election spending limits during the 2015 general election.

I cannot remember an election fought while one party's candidates and their agents were waiting to hear if they would be prosecuted for alleged electoral crimes.

The CPS has been studying submissions from 12 police forces - with the central allegation being that significant spending on a Tory battle bus was under-reported and misreported to the Electoral Commission (damaging claims brought into public view largely because of the assiduous digging of my ITN colleagues at Channel 4 News).

The other main claim is that thousands of pounds was spent by the Conservatives fighting off Nigel Farage's attempt to win the South Thanet seat for UKIP, but the expenses - on hotels, for example - was wrongly not included in the local campaign expenses for South Thanet.

So tomorrow will be a nerve-wracking day for Theresa May.
To be clear, she is not personally implicated in any way in how the Tories managed their campaign a couple of years ago.

And of course it may turn out that no one is to be prosecuted. And of course it may turn out that no one is to be prosecuted. All the accused MPs and officials deny any wrongdoing.

But if any Tory candidates or officials are prosecuted, there would be a taint on her party.

And there would be a logistical headache also for her, because candidates who had been charged would presumably not contest their seats. New candidates would have to be found.

Also two of May's closest colleagues, Nick Timothy and Stephen Parkinson, worked on the controversial South Thanet campaign - although there is no suggestion they broke any rules.

So if charges are brought what will May's response be? Presumably a version of "that was the previous regime, we do things differently".

www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1842863549371715

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:41

www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/05/09/theresa-may-husband-philip-one-show-need-know-14-tweets/

The Poke On Phil and Theresa.

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:42

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mp-simon-danczuk-facing-police-10390452
MP Simon Danczuk facing police rape inquiry after allegation of assault in Westminster
Detectives are probing the allegation against the former Labour MP, who quit the party yesterday after he was banned from standing in the general election

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2017 22:45

Trump just booted FBI director Comey.

Says everything.

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