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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 11/05/2017 22:57

A new ComRes survey for the Mirror shows overwhelming support for plans to nationalise energy, tax the wealthiest and cap the pension age rise

I'm not keen on getting stuck with decommisioning loads of creaky old nuclear power plants, but I am assuming the crappy, expensive stuff stayed in the public sector all along.

lalalonglegs · 11/05/2017 23:11

Aww, I used to know Tom Whipple, I can very easily imagine him being painfully polite to a naked sex pest. Poor Tom.

TheElementsSong · 11/05/2017 23:33

My friend goes on to say that both DeXeu & DIT are "haemorrhaging" staff and that the phrase "Rome is burning" was used by a senior official

Surely not? Shock Is it because they're all unbelieving traitorous Remoaning elite experts?

Still, there should be no problem filling those vacancies - isn't there a 17 million-strong pool of eminently qualified candidates? I'm given to understand from other threads, exhorting us to vote for Theresa May, that the main requirement for Successful Brexit and Making Britain Great Again is, um, belief?

Artisanjam · 12/05/2017 06:10

I suspect one reason they're haemorrhaging staff is that civil service pay is very much lower than the comparable private sector pay, and in both those departments the job is likely to be pretty amorphous at the moment - until politicians own the difficulties of Brexit how do you start to deal with it?

However dexeu and DiT are probably preparing people beautifully for a private sector job - you'd be able to earn a significant increase with recent civil service experience and deal with something which can actually be responded to - the fact that the government doesn't have the foggiest clue how to manage it.

TatianaLarina · 12/05/2017 08:54

From what I've heard civil servants are avoiding Brexit work if they can - it's seen as lose lose - they can't do a good job and it's a nightmare.

TatianaLarina · 12/05/2017 08:58

By the end of March only two thirds of civil service jobs had been filled.

Artisanjam · 12/05/2017 09:55

Especially when you can earn double or triple in the private sector pointing out what a nightmare it's going to be!

Kaija · 12/05/2017 10:10

Anecdotally what I've heard from people leaving is that they are going because it is chaos, rather than that they are seeking greater rewards elsewhere.

Peregrina · 12/05/2017 11:10

By the end of March only two thirds of civil service jobs had been filled.

As a retired Civil Servant myself, I can tell you that they were always slow when it came to recruiting people. With the exception of the lowest grades of clerical staff who were recruited locally.

The application forms were also long, with Byzantine complexity, from what I remember. So the 86 page forms from the Home Office, are par for the course.

SapphireStrange · 12/05/2017 11:33

Jean-Claude Juncker is trying to get me the sack, says David Davis

What a fucking baby.

Honestly, I didn't think the man could do anything to make me despise him any more but well done David, you've managed it.

Artisanjam · 12/05/2017 12:19

I thought Juncker was just pointing out that DD is not very competent and tbf, it is probably an advantage at the moment to be an incompetent true believer.

LurkingHusband · 12/05/2017 12:23

If I were JCJ (I'm not, honest) I would respond with a gushing defence of David Davies positives (which wouldn't take long) in any language but English ... the MSM would have to take it at face value because it's well known that foreigners don't do irony .....

TatianaLarina · 12/05/2017 14:16

Juncker can merely see he's shit, and that if Brexit negotiations are to have a hope they will need a bird with a bigger brain.

TatianaLarina · 12/05/2017 14:18

As a retired Civil Servant myself, I can tell you that they were always slow when it came to recruiting people

I can well imagine it, but the fact is we have 2 years for a deal and half has already gone. It's time to get a shift on.

I strongly suspect the lack of filled Brexit positions is more to do with the fact that people don't want them.

HPFA · 12/05/2017 15:16

The EU Comission's response:

twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/862975968520155136

Ouch!!!

BluePeppers · 12/05/2017 16:15

Ouch indeed

NancyWake · 12/05/2017 16:23

Haha. It feels as if they don't want to pick on someone who's smaller than them. They're trying to give us the chance of a fair fight.

HashiAsLarry · 12/05/2017 16:53

Hahaha, love the response.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/05/2017 20:40
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HPFA · 12/05/2017 21:19

And further proof the art of sticking the knife is in not yet dead here's a letter from Sir Max Hastings in The Times

The Times rightly draws attention to the problems that will face British agriculture in the wake of Brexit, including the loss of EU subsidy. I have never so much admired the selflessness of British farmers as when so many last year voted Leave. However, such folk are surely too principled to complain about paying the bill for their fine, patriotic gesture.

7Days · 12/05/2017 22:47

Probably been said before but
'Fog across Channel, Continent isolated'

The mindset lives on

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