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Ex-husband's wife sent this email during custody dispute, was it inappropriate?

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Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:10

FYI this happened a long time ago. 2015 to be exact. My ex and I were in custody dispute. He and his wife wanted full time care of my eldest girl (Rebecca). I had agreed to only 50/50. They felt that her autism diagnosis was wrong and that I was conditioning and enabling her. He had become highly verbally abusive and his wife (a trained counsellor) stepped in to try to negotiate. This is her email. I found it to be a huge boundary violation. I have changed the names.
Hello Hannah,

Thank you for your email. I acknowledge that you changed your mind about meeting next weekend, I find that a bit of a shame as actions toward better communication could be, in my view, really helpful.

Great that you agreed to the new schedule which is based on your revised wishes.

You hope that one day Rebecca will appreciate your decision to prevent Matthew from caring for her full time. I think it sometimes requires a lot of love and grandeur to let go of your own needs and try new things for the sake of the child. Assigning Matthew full time care for Rebecca would have been such thing. It would have been a chance for Rebecca. Why would it mean you give up on Rebecca? You had both girls in fulltime care for nearly four years and Matthew never viewed this as giving up on his children. I really wonder how you develop such views? You both, Matthew and you, have the same rights to care for the children. Hannah, that's right, time will reveal Rebeccas's views on this. I agree, one day both girls will form their opinions about their experiences with both of you. They will make up their minds what they found helpful, what not, what they liked and what not. They will do this as we all did it with our parents. Good mother or good father – at the end of the day it is for them to say what they think.

Please don't worry about the way Matthew portrays you. I am well aware of the fact that I hear only his perception. Please also know that neither of us are judging you. You can do what you want, have you own values, live your own life as you want, please don't worry about this. We never comment on things related to you towards the girls and we take our pride in this. We also have no bad intentions towards you, we both wish you all the best, why would we want anything bad for you?

But still Hannah, between both of you parents, it must be possible to raise concerns. If Matthew e.g. gets the impression that Sarah gets more attention than Rebecca he must have the possibility to raise this issue with you, would you not agree? This is in our view just a normal part of communication between parents. And btw, you do this too on a regular basis.

Since we don't see each other on the weekend, please let me say a few words about your (Matthew's and your) way of communicating. I am well aware that you despise Matthew for his bad communication style because he is sometimes getting very aggravated, aggressive and becomes verbally abusive. You are absolutely right. And I have seen him on a number of occasions finding it extremely difficult to stay calm when things are getting out of hand between you two.
But I think it is a bit one sided to point the finger on Matthew alone and see yourself as the victim. Its never right to blame just one side. As a person who witnessed you both communicating, I would like to invite you to hear my perspective of it. It can see that you still hold a lot of resentments against Michael. Your relationship ended nearly four years ago, and I strongly doubt that you reached closure. Maybe you disagree, maybe you reflect on this and find the right answer to this question for yourself. What I observe is, that Matthew never gets it right for you. In your books he is to blame for this, that and the other. Just recently for Sarah not wanting to eat at McDonalds (please see your last Thursdays texts) and in yesterday texts you even blamed him for you not having a good relationship with your daughter Rebecca. Within this framework you expect him to react friendly, patiently and respectful. Beyond that you often don't consult with him in parenting questions, you rather consult with outsiders, I suspect you don't view him as competent (??). And, I'm very sorry to mention it, you don't acknowledge his efforts and achievements with the girls. In contrast you even criticise him for that.
I can tell you that Matthew too loves his children and he actively helps them to reach their full potential, to improve their behaviours, gives them direction, guidelines, support and last but not least his love. Rebecca's improvements in math and her communication, for example, are remarkable. Both girls are happy around him. I must say, I admire that on him. I find is sometimes hard to watch how you criticise him for all that is possible while insisting to be respected, and not being criticised. Respect is of course preferable, it just has to go both ways. When we blame we should also see our own parts that we play.

I really hope that you give it a go and think about my words.

Kind regards

Katherine

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TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · Yesterday 01:15

Yes, very inappropriate.

But I hope none of them read it on here as everyone is identifiable.

saveforthat · Yesterday 01:16

My God she likes the sound of her own voice (or sight of her own words). Are you in the USA?

Teeheehee1579 · Yesterday 01:20

It is over stepping but without hearing both sides it’s hard to tell if the sentiment is unfair. It sounds like she got very frustrated with how your ex was being portrayed and perhaps she felt compelled to say something, It sounds like to all care for your DD anyway.

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:24

The names have been changed and it's very unlikely they are on here.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · Yesterday 01:25

The first thing I think is that her standard of education must be low because that is SO badly written. I found it hard to focus on what she was actually saying because her grammar is awful.

Putting aside the terrible writing, I hope you told her to get lost. How dare she? Although telling that she acknowledged that her husband is 'aggressive and becomes verbally abusive'. I'm shocked that someone who is supposedly a counsellor would be in a relationship with a man she admits is abusive.

SallyDraperGetInHere · Yesterday 01:32

Inappropriate, yes. Wearing both the counsellor hat and the new wife hat, purporting to know what’s best for the child. What has prompted you to visit this 11 years on? How did the situation resolve?

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:35

I wanted to report her at the time to the counsellor's association (I am in New Zealand) but I was too afraid of the fallout on the kids. My eldest was returned to my care full-time 2 years later, after I reported physical abuse of her by her father.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · Yesterday 01:37

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:35

I wanted to report her at the time to the counsellor's association (I am in New Zealand) but I was too afraid of the fallout on the kids. My eldest was returned to my care full-time 2 years later, after I reported physical abuse of her by her father.

Did his 2nd marriage (to the counsellor) break down when the abuse happened?

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:40

No, still together

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Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:41

The stepmum was verbally abusive as well. Standard ablist abuse. It was heartbreaking.

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SallyDraperGetInHere · Yesterday 01:49

What are you hoping to make peace with now?

PleaseDontTreadOnTheDaisies · Yesterday 01:49

Awful. Awful letter, awful grammar, awful overstepping of boundaries.
I would have been so furious to get that letter. I don't know if you can still report her after all this time, but maybe you should.
I'm glad you got your daughter back.

andfinallyhereweare · Yesterday 01:50

I’m a counsellor (I have a masters degree in it) and I can say with full trained confidence and knowledge that this woman is a twat.

More professionally- it’s inappropriate.

Francestein · Yesterday 01:51

Total boundary-stomping. Also using therapy-speak to attempt to intimidate you.
Neither you or your DD were her clients.

PinkyFlamingo · Yesterday 01:53

Why is this on your mind now, 11 years later....has something happened recently?

andfinallyhereweare · Yesterday 01:53

And also juts a thought I’m not sure NZ is the same as Australia where I am but counselling in not regulated, it’s voluntary to be apart of a regulated body so it wouldn’t actually do anything but loose her membership. That’s in Australia though (it should be regulated!). I’m not sure if NZ is the same. @Kiwiana100

Boreded · Yesterday 01:56

Ok but why are you posting this 11 years later?

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 01:57

It's a good question why I haven't laid it to rest. I just wanted to post it at the time, but was too afraid of a backlash. My kids are adults now, so are not in the firing line anymore.

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MyPlumHelper · Yesterday 01:59

What's the point of this now eleven years later?

SallyDraperGetInHere · Yesterday 01:59

How did you respond at the time? I’m sorry you went through this. I would have felt completely ganged up on if I received that email.

Kiwiana100 · Yesterday 02:02

I just replied to say thank you for your input and there is no further need for communication.
I get that it is a long time ago. I am just curious about how it reads. I am not in any particularly bad space other than supporting my daughter who has ongoing trauma.

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ContractorQuestion · Yesterday 02:14

It’s hugely overstepping her place, and she sounds utterly patronising!

This part - “time will reveal Rebecca’s views on this, one day both girls will form their opinions about their experiences with both of you”

Seeing your update that your daughters were returned to you full time after abuse from them, and since you still have this email, aren’t you a bit tempted to reply back to her now pointing out how time revealed their views and opinions of their abuse father/stepmother?

SallyDraperGetInHere · Yesterday 02:17

ContractorQuestion · Yesterday 02:14

It’s hugely overstepping her place, and she sounds utterly patronising!

This part - “time will reveal Rebecca’s views on this, one day both girls will form their opinions about their experiences with both of you”

Seeing your update that your daughters were returned to you full time after abuse from them, and since you still have this email, aren’t you a bit tempted to reply back to her now pointing out how time revealed their views and opinions of their abuse father/stepmother?

OP might find it useful to draft a reply to articulate how she processed it and how she now feels … but not send it. It might be cathartic to mull it over then lay it to rest.

QuirkyHorse · Yesterday 02:23

How is the relationship with their dad?
How is your relationship with them?

k1233 · Yesterday 02:30

Hannah, that's right, time will reveal Rebeccas's views on this. I agree, one day both girls will form their opinions about their experiences with both of you. They will make up their minds what they found helpful, what not, what they liked and what not. They will do this as we all did it with our parents. Good mother or good father – at the end of the day it is for them to say what they think.

After a decade plus, what do your daughters think of their father and step mother? From your subsequent posts it might not be the rosey picture she was inferring...