Independent sage: circuit breaker lockdown needed now

[XmasGoose]

I see Independent Sage have said that an immediate circuit breaker lockdown is needed to protect the NHS.

This would involve a total ban on household mixing, all bars, restaurants and indoor venues closing and schools shutting early for Christmas.

Is this needed now to protect the NHS and save lives? Personally I wouldn’t comply with another lockdown.

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@Waxonwaxoff0

Independent Sage can get fucked.

My sentiments exactly

And you even 2 weeks will stop the overwhelming? Aye right….

Point me to where I said anything of the sort @Starcup?

I was replying to the issues in your post where you suggest that we deal with the issues of coronavirus saturating healthcare & causing preventatable deaths by refusing hospital care to COVID+ patients, instead of trying to suppress current rates of transmission

Independent Sage can get fucked.

It's interesting when you get counter arguements about you not being a epidemiologist, neither are a lot of members of real sage and fake sage.

@ollyollyoxenfree

And you even 2 weeks will stop the overwhelming? Aye right….

Point me to where I said anything of the sort @Starcup?

I was replying to the issues in your post where you suggest that we deal with the issues of coronavirus saturating healthcare & causing preventatable deaths by refusing hospital care to COVID+ patients, instead of trying to suppress current rates of transmission

Again…. Suppressing it by the 2 week lockdown? because that’s going to do a lot isn’t it 🙄

Oh and, other earths are ok then are they? Everyone else can get stuffed, only go of matters eh?!

other deaths are ok?

Only covid matters? Eh

@Starcup

*other deaths* are ok?

Only covid matters? Eh

I have no idea what you're posting - it's just a mess.

I've never suggested a two week lockdown would be effective, nor that it should be implemented now.

I am saying there's real issues in you suggestion that we deal with the issues of coronavirus saturating healthcare by refusing hospital care to COVID+ patients, instead of trying to suppress current rates of transmission

It isn't COVID or other deaths. If we don't deal with COVID, people will die of other things.

To quote the CMO, it's "a complete inversion of reality"

Added to the fact that it's not just the high rates of people needing hospital care, it's the deficits of staff we'll have due to isolation and sickness @Starcup

Although I suppose your next suggestion will be that COVID+ clinicians go into work anyway.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Added to the fact that it's not just the high rates of people needing hospital care, it's the deficits of staff we'll have due to isolation and sickness *@Starcup*

Although I suppose your next suggestion will be that COVID+ clinicians go into work anyway.

Get over yourself.

You keep banging on about the fact I said, if it doesn’t slow down, difficult decisions would need to be made.

Lockdowns down work and a 2 week one certainly won’t work. If the numbers are going to be as high as they are making out, you’d about a 4 month lockdown.

need about a 4 month lockdown I mean

@Starcup

Lockdowns down work and a 2 week one certainly won’t work. If the numbers are going to be as high as they are making out, you’d about a 4 month lockdown.

Again, I haven't said anything about numbers, lockdowns, or specific policies I think should be implemented

You seem to be having an argument with yourself

I see we have more great reasoned debate from @Starcup

Do you resort to crap like 'chill out' and 'get over yourself' when you are losing arguments in real life too?

**Again, I haven't said anything about numbers, lockdowns, or specific policies I think should be implemented

You seem to be having an argument with yourself**

But you keep going on about the same thing. Aghast that I said about the the potential need for future triage etc…

I don’t know where you’ve got the idea that I don’t think it all matters if the NHS goes in to meltdown. That’s why you keep insinuating and that’s bullshit.

I just don’t think a lockdown for everyone is the answer!

@ChequerBoard

I see we have more great reasoned debate from *@Starcup*

Do you resort to crap like 'chill out' and 'get over yourself' when you are losing arguments in real life too?

Losing an argument? It’s my opinion and your opinion 😂

But of course, some people are desperate for a lockdown aren’t they? The privileged mostly.

I just don’t think a lockdown for everyone is the answer!

....not too sure why I'm reposting this for the third (fourth?) time, but at no point have I said there should be a lockdown, or suggested when it should be implemented.

Measures to suppress transmission =/= lockdown

@Starcup

But of course, some people are desperate for a lockdown aren’t they? The privileged mostly.

Your posts don't follow any kind of logical progression?

@ChequerBoard

I see we have more great reasoned debate from *@Starcup*

Do you resort to crap like 'chill out' and 'get over yourself' when you are losing arguments in real life too?

Aye, not really much more that can be said tbh

@ollyollyoxenfree

I just don’t think a lockdown for everyone is the answer!

....not too sure why I'm reposting this for the third (fourth?) time, but at no point have I said there should be a lockdown, or suggested when it should be implemented.

Measures to suppress transmission =/= lockdown

So what’s your point then?

Why are constantly coming back with replies, if you don’t actually agree with a lockdown anyway?

Your posts don't follow any kind of logical progression

We can agree on that at least, I feel the same about your posts.

Aye, not really much more that can be said tbh

Says you 😂

Wasn't aware that I was being policed on what I can & can't post on a thread?

As I said - was replying to the issues with your suggestion that COVID+ patients should be denied hospital care & that you completely ignore the issue of staffing deficits due to isolation and illness.

You appear to think if we pretend coronavirus isn't here, the problem will go away. This is not the case.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Wasn't aware that I was being policed on what I can & can't post on a thread?

As I said - was replying to the issues with your suggestion that COVID+ patients should be denied hospital care & that you completely ignore the issue of staffing deficits due to isolation and illness.

You appear to think if we pretend coronavirus isn't here, the problem will go away. This is not the case.

I did not say they should be denied hospital care, I said they might start having to restrict care of covid patients, if things get as bad as they predict!

Unless you think that only covid patients should be allowed hospital care?

"I did not say they should be denied hospital care, I said they might start having to restrict care of covid patients, if things get as bad as they predict!"

Can you explain the difference (in your head) between denying care and restricting care??