The Four Tests are failed aren't they?

[PrincessNutNuts]

1. The vaccine programme continues to go to plan

Is it going to plan?

The plan was that the vaccine was rolled out evenly across the country by descending age groups with a 12 week gap between doses.

Now they're diverting vaccine supplies to do surge vaxxing of everyone over 18 in areas which have a higher prevalence of variant B1.617.2 (Indian) and the 12 week gap has gone.

Things have gone off plan a bit haven't they?

2. Evidence shows vaccines are reducing deaths and numbers requiring hospital treatment.

Does it? What evidence do we have that they do that in cases of variant B1.617.2? (Indian)

How do we know that where cases of variant B1.617.2 rise, hospitalisations and deaths don't?

Maybe there's just a time lag as there always was.

Hospital admissions in Bolton are back to March levels.

3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions.

Infection rates in Bolton have gone up 28% in 48 hours.

Sewage analysis indicates that vaccine surge and testing surge is now needed in Bedford, Burnley, Hounslow, Kirklees, Leicester, and North Tyneside as well as Glasgow and Moray.

4. New variants do not change the risk of lifting restrictions.

B1.617.2 (Indian) has spread to 86 locations in the U.K. in about a month.

Scientists believe it is between 50% and 60% more transmissible than the Kent variant that has kept us in restrictions for 8 months and still killed 80,000 people.

What do you think?

Are the four tests for opening up met?

Short of a magic wand, I really don't know what you want OP.

This is life. There are no certainties. In anything.

You just like being dramatic, really, don't you?

I just don't understand why the scaremongering can't just stay on one thread. Why posters have to start one after another, and choose slightly alarming titles like this one

That’s a consistent pattern from these posters.

It’s clearly much more effective in stoking anxiety. Scary threads everywhere. Arghh.

If MN wants to crack down on this shit, this would be a good place to start.

Christ your OP is so full of assumptions and scaremongering I don’t know where to start. Do you have shares in lockdown or is it just that happiness anywhere is a threat to misery everywhere?

The vaccines are working. People are taking their lives, education and livelihoods back whether you like it or not

Do you have shares in lockdown

😆

Great line

@DeadButDelicious

I swear there are some people who are actively enjoying scaremongering and trying to worry others.

I think in this poster's case it's more of a political agenda, as their user name(s) would suggest.

I'm not convinced this poster is a shill. I find it plausible that they're a regular poster who is a) fiercely anti-Tory b) shit scared of Covid themselves OR c) gets a kick out of scaring others and d) clearly has too much time on their hands.

I don't find the constant doom mongering threads acceptable though.

I also don't think the poster is a shill, but the political angle is obvious.

We didn't hear much from them when the vaccine roll-out was going splendidly - as it still is - and everything seemed to be looking up. Now that we've got this latest scariant, they're on it like a dog with a bone, hoping to be able to say how this govt can't do anything right and 'other countries' are 'watching with horror'.

So the OP disagrees with you? So you belittle and mock her?

@TheKeatingFive

I just don't understand why the scaremongering can't just stay on one thread. Why posters have to start one after another, and choose slightly alarming titles like this one

That’s a consistent pattern from these posters.

It’s clearly much more effective in stoking anxiety. Scary threads everywhere. Arghh.

If MN wants to crack down on this shit, this would be a good place to start.

There’s a consistent pattern of those who quickly jump onto threads to immediately declare any doubts or questions over our exit strategy and current situation as scare mongering, shrieking, STAYING THE FU*K HOME, alarmist, doom lovers, dementors and so on.

If a very engaged poster such as the OP also posted encouraging stats from time to time then I would think they had a genuine obsession.

But as IcedPurple observes, they are completely silent when something goes right. Which leads one to think that they are only peddling one line.

Also the glee with which bad news is imparted, often with smiley face emojis.

@brondary

So the OP disagrees with you? So you belittle and mock her?

No more or less than the belittling and mocking dished out by said poster on other threads

Do we know for sure it's a 'her'?

Yep the worst of mumsnet.

No but the user names are female focused.

@TheKeatingFive

No but the user names are female focused.

At least 4 I think

They have left this one and flipped to another today.

@TheKeatingFive

No but the user names are female focused.

Focussed on the partner of a, let's call him, 'extremely high profile British politician'.

Weird.

Focussed on the partner of a, let's call him, 'extremely high profile British politician'.

Yup, very strange

@brondary

So the OP disagrees with you? So you belittle and mock her?

What about OP calling posters covid deniers? Or constantly trying to push their agenda and anyone who disagrees is a conspiracy theorist. Is that ok then? It works both ways.

1. The vaccine programme continues to go to plan It's being accelerated in both specific age groups and locations. It isn't slowing down for logistical reasons, some may be reticent to take their jib but it is available for them!

2. Evidence shows vaccines are reducing deaths and numbers requiring hospital treatment. Yes, currently there is no evidence that the vaccines will not cope with variant B1.617.2? We will know about specific cases as for a year now there have been specific genome tests on samples in order to track variants. How do you thnk they know where variant B1.617.2 is?

And that time lag has been explained to us from various podiums for over a year now!

Hospital admissions in Bolton are back to March levels. Yes. The same low base level that means the almot 30% increase is still low in absolute numbers

3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions. In the low double digits. See above!

Sewage analysis indicates that vaccine surge and testing surge is now needed in Bedford, Burnley, Hounslow, Kirklees, Leicester, and North Tyneside as well as Glasgow and Moray. Oh! So you DO know how they can tell us where each varoiant is?

4. New variants do not change the risk of lifting restrictions. Well they don't. Until proven more infectious, transmissable etc, they don't. That's why there is surge testng and surge vaccination in the affected areas.

And so very much more... But you know all of that. You are just scaring yourself again! Stop indulging this... it isn't healthy!

@brondary

So the OP disagrees with you? So you belittle and mock her?

Some of us have spent quite a lot of time trying to discuss OPs posts and threads. We know just how convoluted they can be!

I wish Mumsnet would crack down. Many of us can see through these posts and challenge them but they must be having an impact on some
people’s mental health. They did nothing about the many anti vac posts which were actually influencing people not to have their vaccinations so I don’t hold out much hope.