The Four Tests are failed aren't they?

[PrincessNutNuts]

1. The vaccine programme continues to go to plan

Is it going to plan?

The plan was that the vaccine was rolled out evenly across the country by descending age groups with a 12 week gap between doses.

Now they're diverting vaccine supplies to do surge vaxxing of everyone over 18 in areas which have a higher prevalence of variant B1.617.2 (Indian) and the 12 week gap has gone.

Things have gone off plan a bit haven't they?

2. Evidence shows vaccines are reducing deaths and numbers requiring hospital treatment.

Does it? What evidence do we have that they do that in cases of variant B1.617.2? (Indian)

How do we know that where cases of variant B1.617.2 rise, hospitalisations and deaths don't?

Maybe there's just a time lag as there always was.

Hospital admissions in Bolton are back to March levels.

3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions.

Infection rates in Bolton have gone up 28% in 48 hours.

Sewage analysis indicates that vaccine surge and testing surge is now needed in Bedford, Burnley, Hounslow, Kirklees, Leicester, and North Tyneside as well as Glasgow and Moray.

4. New variants do not change the risk of lifting restrictions.

B1.617.2 (Indian) has spread to 86 locations in the U.K. in about a month.

Scientists believe it is between 50% and 60% more transmissible than the Kent variant that has kept us in restrictions for 8 months and still killed 80,000 people.

What do you think?

Are the four tests for opening up met?

I always laugh at those posters who breezily tell others to 'go for a walk' as though the idea hadn't occurred to us after a year of not being able to do much else.

But seriously Princess Carrie. Go for a walk. It might clear your head and do you good.

Don't Panic Mr Mainwaring, Don't Panic!

All these doom-mongering posts are really unhelpful and actually pretty nasty. What is it you are trying to achieve Op?

(& this coming from someone who is CV, and has followed/is still following all the rules etc, who has kept informed and has checked info from people who can give actual factual answers and not just assumed/presumed or widely speculated & decided 2 + 2 = 5, then posts it, as if it is fact,).

I work in Bolton hospital and it is very far from "March levels".

God dont you have anything else to do so many threads over the last few days. Do you think gaining the weight of the mumsnet massive is going to have any hand in what the government decide to do!!

I think it's fair to say this post hasn't got the reaction the OP was hoping for.

@Quartz2208

What do you actually hope to achieve by all of this?

People thinking the Government have handled it badly because like it or not they currently in a position where if we called a GE they would get a bigger majority than they did in December 2019. (I am not by the way a fan I have never and will never vote for them)

People panicking about the current situation by posting inflamatory statements without ever posting any links to (for example it is looking increasingly likely it not that high)

You are so blinkered by COVID you never look at the real implications of not opening on Monday. And you never actually say what you want to happen.

Although you do claim that you dont post that much - your posting history and the fact that I suspect the majority of people upon opening this expected to see your name.

Reminds me of another poster who had a thing about masks in schools. It almost feels like lobbying? Trying to get the whole of MN to agree with them as if, if they succeed, it will really make some sort of massive fundamental difference.

I don't understand it really, what action is it the OP thinks we should take/be taking?

So far I think they have passed all four . Very confused by your thought process. Yes the vaccine program for example is not to plan, it’s better than plan and ahead of plan. It’s certainly not behind plan. Hospital admissions and deaths continue to decline. Vaccines are clearly reducing deaths and there is no evidence the Indian variant will actually change the bigger picture

Your post actually comes across excited. Like you’re desperate for them to fail against all evidence to the contrary. Are you ok? It doesn’t feel quite healthy.

Its like she thinks she's the only one that knows how shit the government have been throughout this and by somehow continuing to point out how shit it all is that someone here will be able to do something about it 🙄

How are they bringing forward the over 50s and running extra community vaccine centres without extra supplies?

My understanding is, the speed of vaccinations is driven by whatever people and place resource is available rather than the number of doses available. They won’t be cancelling or slowing vaccinations in other areas.

"Your post actually comes across excited. Like you’re desperate for them to fail against all evidence to the contrary. Are you ok? It doesn’t feel quite healthy."

There are actually a few posters with the same MO, cheerful in their bleak speculation and telling the rest of us we 'misunderstood' and/or covid deniers

Eurgh bold fail on that quotation

In my non-medical opinion it is only the fourth test that is in some doubt in advance of 21st June. Mr Hancock advised that on 14th June the decision will be announced about the next step on lifting restrictions, which will be shortly after football humiliation for the Scots, and the day after the England loss to Croatia.

Seriously OP you are beyond boring now

OP, do you want to be locked down forever? Is there a reason for all of this? Are you furloughed and hoping to just stay that way forever?

You are going to have to accept that at some time life needs to get back to normal. You may not want that and it’s your choice but don’t try justifying your own wants by trying to get everyone else on board with your opinions.

It’s largely falling on deaf ears, most people are ready to get a life back now.

@KurtWilde

"Your post actually comes across excited. Like you’re desperate for them to fail against all evidence to the contrary. Are you ok? It doesn’t feel quite healthy."

There are actually a few posters with the same MO, cheerful in their bleak speculation and telling the rest of us we 'misunderstood' and/or covid deniers

It’s odd though isnt it. There’s a tone of excitement or desperation on the op, a clear need for the tests to be failed and lockdown to continue.

It’s blatantly obvious to everyone the tests haven’t been failed. Only number four is questionable and that’s a wait and see. They don’t know right now.

So something is behind this level of excitement or desperation the ops is feeling, this need for it to continue.

Shall we start a list of potential hobbies for the Princess Doom?

Charities across the country are desperate for volunteers - we haven't been able to re-open our shop full time as volunteers have drifted away during repeated lockdowns and we're very short staffed. I suggest you make use of your time to volunteer, garden, crochet, learn French... anything but constant doom-mongering.

It's really not healthy.

I agree Bluntness. I've noticed it quite a bit on some of these threads, not just this particular poster but a few others that pop up on every thread like this quoting modelling and speculation almost as fact, as what will definitely come to pass. And they're positively gleeful about it.

I can only think their situation of wfh and comfortable living (or the like) is pushing them to wish for it to be extended, perhaps?

@PurpleDaisies

Now they're diverting vaccine supplies to do surge vaxxing of everyone over 18 in areas which have a higher prevalence of variant B1.617.2 (Indian) and the 12 week gap has gone.

They aren’t doing this. They’re accelerating second doses for over fifties and really pushing to get people who are currently eligible to get vaccinated in those areas of concern.

Yep, my 53 year old DH has just been called for his second. He will have had both in the time between my 1st and 2nd (42 work related)

@KurtWilde

I agree Bluntness. I've noticed it quite a bit on some of these threads, not just this particular poster but a few others that pop up on every thread like this quoting modelling and speculation almost as fact, as what will definitely come to pass. And they're positively gleeful about it.

I can only think their situation of wfh and comfortable living (or the like) is pushing them to wish for it to be extended, perhaps?

Or maybe anxiety or another mental health issue?

Op, can I ask gently, you start a lot of threads about Covid and your thoughts are, well not realistic or reasonable, what’s driving you. Is it you are living your best life due to this or do you have some form of anxiety that’s driving you?

Agree bluntness. The word I was looking for was gleeful. It is odd.

I know health anxiety seems to drive quite a lot of people lately, I suppose that could be a factor.

I wonder if its the certainty of a firm lockdown.

When things are definitely back to normal, then you can plan things and not have to factor in covid restrictions at all. If there's a full lockdown, its shit but you also know where you stand, there's no "wait and see".

But for an anxious person, this bit is hard to deal with - its probably going to be fine, but you can't know for sure. So they go looking for proof that it's definitely going to be full lockdown, as at least they can plan with that.

Or its that they like this "do nothing but work, clean, eat, repeat" lifestyle and enjoy not having to feel bad they are wasting their lives.

Yes gleeful is a good work, there is a feeling of excitement about it, joy. It’s really odd.

Are you quite well OP?