Israel close UK consulate in Jerusalem

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Relationship strained after UK government announces ban on some goods.

Opposition say it's 'performative politics'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmp8djn8983gt

You are going to compare a failed no causaulty failed event in the 50s to a pogrom pre 1948? Really

Look stuff has happened on both sides and continues to happen on both sides that the average person with any empthy will feel is wrong. I know that but not sure some posters do. Don't be one of those people or do up to you.

Is that referring to the holocaust again or something else?

Truly I am curious

I don't know if you have read any of my previous posts but I will clarify here, I believe the land belongs to all. It should be a totally secular country with freedom for all people. No one religion should own any country and I include every religion in that.

Please just hear yourself and also do some fact checking about the dates involved

I don't know which is why I asked

Could presume but could easily be talking about something else number wise

Ever read his book. "Three worlds, memoirs of an Arab Jew"?

Which is all not much different than my own opinion on this matter. However you have also posted some rather interesting bias sounding stuff too. So I am a little confused. Plus didn't you on a thread put forwards the premise of all premises. The one about unless 100% of Israelis oppose settlements then all Israelis should be punished on mass or something along those lines (Do apologise if the premise stuff was someone else with similar name but pretty sure it was you)

Ed Millband is a British Jew that doesn't speak for British Jews

Not sure of your point

Just check dates of events and you will understand what I mean

I specifically said on that post that collective punishment is immoral and illegal under international law. However, if an entire or massive majority of a group passively or actively allow a crime to happen, should they not be seen as culpable.

That was Avi Shlaim's book. Not Miliband

You basically asked what percentage of Israelis need to agree before group punishment is OK. I believe that was stated more dreadfully on one of your later posts where you even gave examples of percentages and asked what would be the acceptable.

No idea if you understood what you were suggesting and the consequences of holding every civilian accountable for the action of their leaders but everyone on that thread agreed that was the premise you were putting forwards.

And as well as being morally indefensible its against international law.

Why are you even discussing this on this thread. There is a separate thread for this. I notice many of my posts have been deleted for what reason I have no idea. Actually I have an idea why. It is a tactic that has been used on many occasions to many people. I suspect our discussion is over pretty soon. The social media war is not something that I think can be won easily. The time of gas lighting the world is over.

Poster did state that themselves to be fair. However still continued to ponder the premise until posts became more uncomfortable so to speak.

Reference to numbers on this thread didn't originally remind me who I was speaking too. That was me genuinely asking what they were referring too. I know know it was definitely the holocaust of course. Think I can go into conversations a little bit innocently sometimes because do actually want some things to just be a misunderstanding. Oh well.

I believe they are the posts you refer to numbers as in the holocaust but didn't say that. Therefore if reported by someone mumsnet will delete just in case.

I mentioned the other thread because you were painting yourself to me as a neutral person and saying something about taking both sides into account etc. Then I realised I recognised your username. Wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't tried to tell me about your way of looking at the situation. Once you did that you left me no choice but to call you out because the premise stuff and after the numbers stuff here means what you were saying is very false or maybe you just don't see your own prejudice and believe what you wrote.

Perhaps you haven't looked at my other posts where I desire a world without religious or ethnic exclusivity and an empathetic attitude to everyone. Something the Palestinians, and others, are not being afforded at this time.

We have certainly read your posts and understood them clearly.

We?? That's interesting. I normally refer to myself as I.

I'm assuming you mean the Israeli settlers are the terrorists here right? And no, their actions are not okay...

The BBC report just showed an area of land proposed for settlement, its empty, no houses there at all. Either Palestinian or Israeli there, it was just undeveloped bare land tgat they showed. I thought people were supposed to be living there. On the site the BBC spanned around it was bare.

I'm a bit confused? Are you saying that because no one has a house there Israelis may as well just take it? Do people live on every acre of the UK? Can Israelis come over and take the bits without anyone on it?

It's not theirs. The end. Whether there is a whole village or if it's farmers fields. It's not Israelis. You can't just take it and build on it.

A quick Google search before posting would have helped you.

https://imeu.org/resources/resources/fact-sheet-israels-e1-settlement/129

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