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TomeTome · 08/09/2026 18:08

I think we are in good company, with Canada, France, and Spain, and that this was the right path to take. The world does not need to support people who behave as the Israelis have been behaving. They can change if they want to and trade can resume.

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 18:20

HardyPoet · 08/09/2026 17:56

I don't think we should let Labour Friends of Israel, Isaac Herzog, and the Shadow Foreign Secretary speak for Palestinians?

Do you know any? I do! In fact, it's where I went to study Arabic and I still have friends there. Including in a small village near Nablus that has just recently had its actual income, it's agricultural land, set on fire by settlers.

Not a single person I know has ever said that they are afraid of losing settlements as a source of, once again, not actually well paid employment.

What people do say is "they act with complete impunity. Nobody cares about what happens to us".

ETA: No, people don't go there to study Arabic anymore either. Too volatile. Those were actually well-paid jobs.

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No my point was not that Palestinians want them there, the point is there will be a negative impact on some but Israel itself will be fine and instead the UK will the one that loses more. what happens when Uk based charities cannot operate in Israel. This short termist thinking is what screws up the middle east. The “haha that’ll teach you” without thinking through consequences.

DeterminedRat · 08/09/2026 18:31

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 18:20

No my point was not that Palestinians want them there, the point is there will be a negative impact on some but Israel itself will be fine and instead the UK will the one that loses more. what happens when Uk based charities cannot operate in Israel. This short termist thinking is what screws up the middle east. The “haha that’ll teach you” without thinking through consequences.

Israel have made their intention to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from the West Bank clear. The reason these sanctions are being brought in now is because there will be no West Bank soon if Israel are left to their own devices. Israel have been escalating their expansion across the West Bank rapidly, over 60 Palestinian communities have been erased in the past 2 years by Israel, their current plans which these sanctions hope to stop are their plans to divide the West Bank in 2. There will be no long term for Palestinians if Israel have their way, they couldn't have made their intentions clearer.
"We are going to fulfill our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us." - Benjamin Netanyahu

whatsthepointffs · 08/09/2026 18:34

Good. Anything that angers Bibi and Trump is the right thing to do.

Bunnyofhope · 08/09/2026 18:35

DontBuyAnotherBook · 08/09/2026 17:46

Eh? Since when would this mean we would give up the Falklands to a country that has no claim to them?

Really? You can't work out how this could leave the Falklands open to an attack by Argentina? Trump has already been making encouraging noises to Argentina.

whatsthepointffs · 08/09/2026 18:55

Bunnyofhope · 08/09/2026 18:35

Really? You can't work out how this could leave the Falklands open to an attack by Argentina? Trump has already been making encouraging noises to Argentina.

Argentina don’t have the capability.

America wouldn’t risk starting a world war over the Falklands.

Echobelly · 08/09/2026 19:00

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 17:51

I would also point out that co-ordination with Palestinian authorities and charities happens through the consulate. The UK will now lose that… slow clap for Labour. In a few days you’ll see people complaining that they are not able to do their work with Palestinians.

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Abusers love to say 'Look what you made me do' is all I'll say to that.

Papoy · 08/09/2026 19:52

Palestine will be free !

Tel12 · 08/09/2026 19:57

It's about time, the government have hardly made any rash decisions. We can all see what's happening should we care to look.

BerthaPotts · 08/09/2026 19:58

Echobelly · 08/09/2026 19:00

Abusers love to say 'Look what you made me do' is all I'll say to that.

Good point.

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:12

DeterminedRat · 08/09/2026 18:31

Israel have made their intention to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from the West Bank clear. The reason these sanctions are being brought in now is because there will be no West Bank soon if Israel are left to their own devices. Israel have been escalating their expansion across the West Bank rapidly, over 60 Palestinian communities have been erased in the past 2 years by Israel, their current plans which these sanctions hope to stop are their plans to divide the West Bank in 2. There will be no long term for Palestinians if Israel have their way, they couldn't have made their intentions clearer.
"We are going to fulfill our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us." - Benjamin Netanyahu

Ok so you think this is actually going to save the west bank?

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:22

Echobelly · 08/09/2026 19:00

Abusers love to say 'Look what you made me do' is all I'll say to that.

Don’t be silly, the Uk is sanctioning part of a countries trade, the country is well within it’s rights to then chuck that country out. If any country sanctioned the UK or part of the Uk’s territory or trade the Uk would be well within it’s rights to tell them their consulate is no longer welcome. They have zero obligation to allow the UK on it’s soil or to trade with the UK in these circumstances. We sanction Russia, they are well within their rights to see that as a hostile act and therefore remove the consulate. It’s not abusive it’s inevitable.

I think the west bank settlers need to be chucked out but I seriously worry when this is the level of analysis or understanding displayed by people who claim to support Palestinian statehood. It’s shambolic. The UK could be providing diplomatic support, support with elections, support to Gazans support to British nationals of Palestinian origin etc etc. creating conditions to which the Israelis have to respond is the dumbest thing to do.

The UK is perfectly within it’s rights to do this, even if it’s stupid, the Israelis are perfectly within their rights to chuck out the consulate, even if it’s tit for tat. The question is not whether you are sticking it to the israelis the question is how will this impact the functioning of Britain in Jerusalem.

Neverstopwondering · 08/09/2026 21:24

Ihatetomatoes · 08/09/2026 16:20

One of Israel's four counter-measures against the UK is barring 12 British nationals from Israel, including "elected representatives".

The 12 people affected are:

  1. Jeremy Corbyn MP
  1. Zarah Sultana MP
  1. Fahad Ansari, director of Riverway to the Sea, which calls itself a "legal training and advocacy organisation"
  1. Naz Shah MP
  1. Diane Abbott MP
  1. Hannah Spencer MP
  1. Carla Denyer MP
  1. Sian Berry MP
  1. Ellie Chowns MP
  1. John McDonnell MP

  2. Richard Burgon MP

  3. Adrian Ramsay MP

Totally cracking up at that list of names

What Israel has really done today in retaliation to send a message to the British government that they shouldn't be messed with is classic. However that has so far not been acknowledged anywhere from what I can see.

Red Ed and the gang have messed up big time and it isn't even going to get them any new voters just bring back some crusty ones they lost to the Green party.

Rather amusing day so long as you weren't planning to fly anywhere.

Echobelly · 08/09/2026 21:26

Maybe it won't 'save the West Bank; but just for goddamned once, Israel needs to face consequences for breaking international law, and I say this as a Jewish person. There can be no justification, none, for the Settlements and what the Settlers are doing. I'd say even most Jews who will support Israel on a lot of things do not support what the Settlers are doing and they form a massive barrier, just like Hamas, to peace.

Nutmuncher · 08/09/2026 21:33

DeterminedRat · 08/09/2026 17:18

Can you expand on this? How do you think 'your way of life' will be disrupted by the UK and other countries using a peaceful tool ie sanctions to try and help implement international law?

Sanctions are provocative whether peaceful or not and are dragging us deeper into a mess that I personally don’t think warrants risking any reciprocal or retaliatory moves being brought against us. Let’s sort ourselves out at home before wading into an international crisis that could see damaging economic measures affecting us all over a situation thousands of miles away.

Ipsevenenabibas · 08/09/2026 21:39

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 17:49

No but individuals will be impacted, when someone goes home to tell their kids they lost a well paying job because labours scared of losing votes to the greens and various gaza mp’s I’m sure they will feel better.

This doesn’t actually solve any problems in the west bank but it does make life more difficult for people.

This doesn’t actually solve any problems in the west bank but it does make life more difficult for people.

Yeah but that's not the point. Just imagine how many likes ❤️ Labour's Insta will get now for their sanctions announcement 😎

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:41

Ok so consulate is closed, British will expelled from an aid centre, British support in training PA is over and a bunch of MP’s will no longer be able to travel there.

Good work government. Great job.

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:45

Ipsevenenabibas · 08/09/2026 21:39

This doesn’t actually solve any problems in the west bank but it does make life more difficult for people.

Yeah but that's not the point. Just imagine how many likes ❤️ Labour's Insta will get now for their sanctions announcement 😎

It’s so stupid I can’t actually get my head around it. I can’t understand people cheering it on either, they must have understood there would be inevitable push back.

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:48

Echobelly · 08/09/2026 21:26

Maybe it won't 'save the West Bank; but just for goddamned once, Israel needs to face consequences for breaking international law, and I say this as a Jewish person. There can be no justification, none, for the Settlements and what the Settlers are doing. I'd say even most Jews who will support Israel on a lot of things do not support what the Settlers are doing and they form a massive barrier, just like Hamas, to peace.

What consequences, they can’t sell some tomatoes?

Whereas the UK is looking down the barrel of no intelligence sharing, blocked from working with Palestinians, possibly losing a lot of trade, some MP’s can’t travel there and so on and so on. This was entirely foreseeable…. Lookee I just saw it a few posts up and I’m hardly some genius.

Oh and the EU is now asking Israel for access to it’s air defence tech….

Truly we are led by donkeys

JadeHare · 08/09/2026 21:49

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:48

What consequences, they can’t sell some tomatoes?

Whereas the UK is looking down the barrel of no intelligence sharing, blocked from working with Palestinians, possibly losing a lot of trade, some MP’s can’t travel there and so on and so on. This was entirely foreseeable…. Lookee I just saw it a few posts up and I’m hardly some genius.

Oh and the EU is now asking Israel for access to it’s air defence tech….

Truly we are led by donkeys

So do nothing?

Nutmuncher · 08/09/2026 21:50

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:41

Ok so consulate is closed, British will expelled from an aid centre, British support in training PA is over and a bunch of MP’s will no longer be able to travel there.

Good work government. Great job.

You can’t help but LOL at such an epic own goal. What will they do now?

JadeHare · 08/09/2026 21:51

Sit back? Watch the Palestinians get kicked out of their land? What is the answer?

JadeHare · 08/09/2026 21:52

I think the list has been far more extensive than just a few farm products. Maybe take a look.

Ipsevenenabibas · 08/09/2026 21:52

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 21:45

It’s so stupid I can’t actually get my head around it. I can’t understand people cheering it on either, they must have understood there would be inevitable push back.

I know, I know. It's useful, when trying to understand these things, to realise that actually alot of people are stupid and then it all kinda makes sense...

Greenwoodmac · 08/09/2026 21:53

Too little too late. We basically enabled this genocide.

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