Israel close UK consulate in Jerusalem

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Relationship strained after UK government announces ban on some goods.

Opposition say it's 'performative politics'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmp8djn8983gt

Actually, this is the first time in a very long time that any British government has done anything to align with the values of tolerance and human rights it claims to espouse and uphold on the world stage.

This will go down well in history and Burnham will rightly command international respect. Being a pathetic lapdog to war criminals was getting embarressing.

’Who started this’ is a stupid road to go down now, but it’s ridiculous to suggest that Israel’s actions in Gaza or the West Bank are justified because of October 23. The inconvenient truth is that a very long time before the October 23, Israel was built on Palestinian land, which (whether supported by the British and other powers or not) understandably pissed Palestinians off. I don’t like Hamas or anything they do, they are terrorists. But the fact is that Palestinians tried to resist peacefully to their land being stolen for years before Hamas existed.

This conflict has nothing to do with Jews and Muslims, and everything to do with land. Ultimately, land stolen from Palestinians by Israel.

The naivety of thinking that sanctions against some Israeli goods and Israel closing the UK embassy in Jerusalem will force peace is astounding.

Peace won't happen until Hamas disarm and go and the settlers stop taking over areas not designated to them. Inflammation of tensions and some sanctions which will be very difficult and costly to work out, where did the goods come from, 🤔 the settlements, highly unlikely or mainstream Israeli companies as in NHS medications, appears virtue signalling and costly.

What about the land sold 🤔
What about the Palestinians who left because they were assured that the surrounding countries would beat Israel in a quick war and they should come back 🤔
Not stolen at all.
Since when did the later created term Palestine own all the land 🤔
What about the land stolen by Jordan or is that ok since not Jewish 🤔

What about them? You’re clutching at straws. Sure there were outliers, but as you know, Palestinians overwhelmingly lived in the land and buildings that now make up Israel proper before they were forced out. Many Palestinian families still have the keys to their old houses in what is now Israel.

The fact that there wasn’t a nation state called Palestine means nothing. Lots of areas didn’t have nation states until the west imposed this ideal on them. Palestine was a region where people lived, loved and worked, and built families for generations, which wasn’t someone else’s to take.

Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!

Perhaps Palestinians can be citizens in Israel then 🤔 as in Jordan...... oh ✋️ wait 😅

"Jordan took the West Bank after the creation of Israel and made Palestinians citizens of Jordan, which is a bit different to what happened in what is now Israel in 48!"

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

Is that why Israel are allowing the hundreds of thousands of 1948 Palestinian refugees and their descendants their internationally recognised legal right of return? Oh wait, no. They’re not are they, because the numbers of Palestinian citizens in Israel are deliberately kept low.

Facts and logic, please.

@IhatetomatoesSo what? Britain was owned by Rome at that time, and before that, the Saxons from Denmark and Germany .

It was always Jewish land, the Jewish were ethnically cleansed from it and would be supported if it was any other race/ethnicity/community (pick whatever word suits)

The formation of a state for Jewish people was mooted in the mid to late 1800s, it was not a new concept to get rid of European Jews post WWII

So should all white people be ethnically cleansed from the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a whole lot more?

The Israeli establishment wanted the land so much that they left settlers to snatch it illegally. The whole thing is ridiculous and a cover for land grab.

Jews have always lived there, I have a Palestinian friend who’s grandparents left jerusalem, their neighbours were Jewish and they got on really well, said they were really nice people.

No what has that got to do with what I said

It was not, they had access to the sea and access to egypt. Plus the reason for the fence was all the suicide bombings, what else can you do when your neighbours keep blowing shit up. And on money lets be honest hamas the bastards snaffled a lot of aid plus taxed the shit out of Gazans, Israel didn’t make them do that. And in spite of everything Gazans were still allowed to cross into Israel to work which will basically be over now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

I’d want a fence between me and them too.

And there were always Jews there anyway. This idea that there was no Jewish presence is such BS

Interesting take on history. Perhaps look into Olmert's air sea and land blockade which he implemented after Sharon had his stroke.

You do know there were far more Jews in Baghdad than there were in Jerusalem.

So?

You do know about The Farhud (1941)

And the other pogroms don't you

(I feel a little nausea that Baghdad is being used as an example)

There is something utterly sickening about playing a numbers game with the history of the Jews.

Yet the sickos will continue to do it

We could discuss the Mossad absolute fuck up in Egypt if you like. Lavon?

Right lets do this properly for anyone reading!

The Farhad in June 1941

Amid a political vacuum and pro-Nazi/anti-British sentiment in Iraq, violent anti-Jewish riots broke out in Baghdad

Over two days of riots, hundreds of Jewish residents were killed, injured, or raped, and widespread looting and destruction of Jewish property

This is just one well known example or at least it should be of you know middle Eastern history or Jewish history

Ever heard of an Israeli historian called Avi Shlaim. He was an Iraqi Jew who can explain it far better than I can. He's written a book about it. He even names the Mossad agents who placed the bombs in Jewish neighbourhoods.