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dairydebris · 01/09/2025 15:27

SummerFeverVenice · 01/09/2025 13:59

Did you miss the UN report stating they have credible evidence that the IDF are raping Palestinians in Gaza? How utterly naive that you think women in war zones have the choice to not have sex. At least, I hope you are naive and are saying the same thing about pregnant Ukrainian and Sudanese women and aren’t being deliberately obtuse.

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Oh god I've read it all now.

You just blamed Israel for Palestinian pregnancies?

You literally couldnt make it up.

This thread is an absolute low.

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 15:49

SummerFeverVenice · 01/09/2025 13:59

Did you miss the UN report stating they have credible evidence that the IDF are raping Palestinians in Gaza? How utterly naive that you think women in war zones have the choice to not have sex. At least, I hope you are naive and are saying the same thing about pregnant Ukrainian and Sudanese women and aren’t being deliberately obtuse.

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I'm still absolutely disgusted with this post so I'm putting this here. Its an extract from a HRW report into sexual violence in Palestinian society. I can provide the full link if you wish- its on another thread on here.

I think you only care about Palestinian women in as much as you can use them as an argument to hate Israel with.

Theres a conversation to be had around the issues raised on this thread- but we're not actually having it are we?

And finally- Palestinian men for Gods sake consider pulling out.

"As noted at the start of this chapter, a Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics survey published in early 2006 found that 23.3 percent of married women in the West Bank and Gaza said that they had been victims of domestic violence in 2005 while 61.7 percent reported that they were victims of psychological violence during the same year.101 Several Palestinian women’s organizations have also reported a rise in already high levels of violence against women following the second intifada. According to a 2002 poll by the Refugee Women’s Resource Project, close to 90 percent of respondents stated that violence against women had “significantly or somewhat increased as a result of changing political, economic, and social conditions in the Palestinian Territories.”102 There is also evidence that marital rape is prevalent in the OPT. A survey on violence against women in Gaza conducted by the Women’s Affairs Center in 2001 revealed that 46.7 percent of the 670 women interviewed reported that their husbands used “force and brutality” during sexual intercourse; 17.4 percent reported that their husbands beat them to have sex; and 35.9 percent said that their husbands threatened and intimidated them into submission..."

A Question of Security: Violence against Palestinian Women and Girls: III. Social and Legal Obstacles to Reporting Violence and Seeking Redress

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/opt1106/5.htm#_ftn102

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:09

SummerFeverVenice · 01/09/2025 13:59

Did you miss the UN report stating they have credible evidence that the IDF are raping Palestinians in Gaza? How utterly naive that you think women in war zones have the choice to not have sex. At least, I hope you are naive and are saying the same thing about pregnant Ukrainian and Sudanese women and aren’t being deliberately obtuse.

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Rape and coercion have been mentioned numerous times on this thread. We were told we were disgusting and despicable for mentioning it.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:12

But I note you're only interested in rape by IDF soldiers without mention of rape and coercion within the Palestinian community. So as usual, not caring about women't experience, just a stick to beat Israel with.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:14

Agree @dairydebris I posted before I saw your posts.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:19

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 15:49

I'm still absolutely disgusted with this post so I'm putting this here. Its an extract from a HRW report into sexual violence in Palestinian society. I can provide the full link if you wish- its on another thread on here.

I think you only care about Palestinian women in as much as you can use them as an argument to hate Israel with.

Theres a conversation to be had around the issues raised on this thread- but we're not actually having it are we?

And finally- Palestinian men for Gods sake consider pulling out.

"As noted at the start of this chapter, a Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics survey published in early 2006 found that 23.3 percent of married women in the West Bank and Gaza said that they had been victims of domestic violence in 2005 while 61.7 percent reported that they were victims of psychological violence during the same year.101 Several Palestinian women’s organizations have also reported a rise in already high levels of violence against women following the second intifada. According to a 2002 poll by the Refugee Women’s Resource Project, close to 90 percent of respondents stated that violence against women had “significantly or somewhat increased as a result of changing political, economic, and social conditions in the Palestinian Territories.”102 There is also evidence that marital rape is prevalent in the OPT. A survey on violence against women in Gaza conducted by the Women’s Affairs Center in 2001 revealed that 46.7 percent of the 670 women interviewed reported that their husbands used “force and brutality” during sexual intercourse; 17.4 percent reported that their husbands beat them to have sex; and 35.9 percent said that their husbands threatened and intimidated them into submission..."

And rape within marriage is not illegal. I think it is in the WB so why has Hamas held out?

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 16:21

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:14

Agree @dairydebris I posted before I saw your posts.

And just to make sure of the point-

46 % of women reported husbands used force and brutality during sex.

17% said husbands beat them to have sex.

35% said husbands threatened and intimidated them into having sex.

Heartbreaking statistics.

"A survey on violence against women in Gaza conducted by the Women’s Affairs Center in 2001 revealed that 46.7 percent of the 670 women interviewed reported that their husbands used “force and brutality” during sexual intercourse; 17.4 percent reported that their husbands beat them to have sex; and 35.9 percent said that their husbands threatened and intimidated them into submission."

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 16:26

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:19

And rape within marriage is not illegal. I think it is in the WB so why has Hamas held out?

We can't expect them to behave. They're only terrorists.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:28

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 16:26

We can't expect them to behave. They're only terrorists.

That is always the answer. The racism of low expectations.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:30

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 16:21

And just to make sure of the point-

46 % of women reported husbands used force and brutality during sex.

17% said husbands beat them to have sex.

35% said husbands threatened and intimidated them into having sex.

Heartbreaking statistics.

"A survey on violence against women in Gaza conducted by the Women’s Affairs Center in 2001 revealed that 46.7 percent of the 670 women interviewed reported that their husbands used “force and brutality” during sexual intercourse; 17.4 percent reported that their husbands beat them to have sex; and 35.9 percent said that their husbands threatened and intimidated them into submission."

So many women and girls around the world live with horrifying levels of sexual violence. War always makes it worse.

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:35

What is happening in Gaze can no longer be classed as a war it is a genocide. Keep denying it if that is what you psychologically need but please stop dehumanising Palestinians and chastising people for opposing the starving and bombing of civilians including pregnant women and children

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dairydebris · 01/09/2025 16:42

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:35

What is happening in Gaze can no longer be classed as a war it is a genocide. Keep denying it if that is what you psychologically need but please stop dehumanising Palestinians and chastising people for opposing the starving and bombing of civilians including pregnant women and children

And you, please do keep arguing with strawmen if it helps you feel like you're achieving something. I can't see what you get out of it but I guess you must get something?

Meanwhile the rest of us can discuss actual points raised.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:45

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:35

What is happening in Gaze can no longer be classed as a war it is a genocide. Keep denying it if that is what you psychologically need but please stop dehumanising Palestinians and chastising people for opposing the starving and bombing of civilians including pregnant women and children

An entire post of strawmen!

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:57

I am trying to raise awareness of the situation what are you trying to do?

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:57

Deny and deflect it seems

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:10

An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

Gaza | The Guardian

Latest news, sport, business, comment, analysis and reviews from the Guardian, the world's leading liberal voice

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza

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SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 17:16

@Everexpanding you seem to be derailing your own thread again. I thought this post was about women not arguing about genocide.

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:17

i made a new thread @SharonEllis

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dairydebris · 01/09/2025 17:31

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:17

i made a new thread @SharonEllis

Makes a thread pretending to be about the plight of Palestinian women, finds insufficient Israel bashing on thread, makes new thread about what they really wish to discuss- namely- Israel bashing.

Better luck next time OP!

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:33

@dairydebris not going to dignify that with a response

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SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 17:48

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 16:57

Deny and deflect it seems

What on earth are you talking about? What have we denied?

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:52

Genocide

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SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 18:01

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:52

Genocide

Thats not the subject of the thread. We can all agree the situation for pregnant women in a war, exacerbated by food shortages etc is terrible without arguing about the techical definition of genocide.

Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 18:22

I will take the word of 430 genocide scholars

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