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Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:33

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that this situation did not begin on October 7th, the civilian population are not responsible for the actions of Hamas and do not deserve being bombed and displaced for nearly two years and more recently starved

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SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:35

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:33

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that this situation did not begin on October 7th, the civilian population are not responsible for the actions of Hamas and do not deserve being bombed and displaced for nearly two years and more recently starved

But yet you don't think they should have been evacuated?

Anyahyacinth · 31/08/2025 13:37

I read birth defects from the weapons used are already starting to show.

To those asking why get pregnant...where do you get your birth control from in a war zone? Or any other medications? It's terrifying. A war zone where health facilities have been priority targets.

Al jazeera UK Freeview channel 251, No Thanks app to boycott those sponsoring this slaughter. Sudocrem an Israeli brand from Teva (check medicines), sodastream, coca cola, Cadbury, Costa etc etc...changing our spending is a principled choice that will change things.

PurpleSocks37 · 31/08/2025 13:43

Anyahyacinth · 31/08/2025 13:37

I read birth defects from the weapons used are already starting to show.

To those asking why get pregnant...where do you get your birth control from in a war zone? Or any other medications? It's terrifying. A war zone where health facilities have been priority targets.

Al jazeera UK Freeview channel 251, No Thanks app to boycott those sponsoring this slaughter. Sudocrem an Israeli brand from Teva (check medicines), sodastream, coca cola, Cadbury, Costa etc etc...changing our spending is a principled choice that will change things.

Israeli population aren't guilty of what their government are doing, why to boycott those companies? Also Cadbury is british and coca cola is American...

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:46

Thanks @Anyahyacinth , I asked my pharmacist not to give me any Teva products, luckily have already giant never ending tub of sudocrem as won’t be buying that either, my entire extended family is moving from Allianz as an insurance provider also

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ScrollingLeaves · 31/08/2025 13:51

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:08

This disgusting argument that blames Palestinians for their own suffering through having the temerity to have sex, has already been discussed and dismantled on this thread, please do not post if that is what you have to add

In the first half of 2025, only 17,000 births were recorded, according to Gazan health authorities, representing a 41 per cent decline in Gaza’s birth rate over the past three years, the agency said.
From this article:
‘Catastrophic birth outcomes’ in Gaza threaten a whole generation, warns UN agency.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165471

UNWRA traditionally provided birth control. As the infrastructure is shattered this will be very difficult.

‘Catastrophic birth outcomes’ in Gaza threaten a whole generation, warns UN agency

Pregnant women and newborns in Gaza face “catastrophic” conditions, including a dysfunctional healthcare system, psychological stress and food deprivation, the UN reproductive health agency UNFPA reported on Wednesday. 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165471

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:51

Axa insurance rather

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TooBigForMyBoots · 31/08/2025 13:52

Why is the population of Gaza starving?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:35

But yet you don't think they should have been evacuated?

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

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SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:59

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

Lets hope Hamas surrenders this week. I'm sure we can all agree on that? Right?

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:04

Hopefully Netanyahu will respond to the ceasefire agreement of Israels terms agreed by Hamas nearly two weeks ago.

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:08

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:04

Hopefully Netanyahu will respond to the ceasefire agreement of Israels terms agreed by Hamas nearly two weeks ago.

They won't unless Hamas also agree to disarm and leave Gaza.

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:10

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

They are in this situation though? There's no point talking about "what ifs" ... The reality is that they are in this situation so it would be safer for them to evacuate (if they want to) than stay where they are.

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:11

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:08

They won't unless Hamas also agree to disarm and leave Gaza.

But he hasn't even responded?

And these were conditions that Israel had agreed to previously.

Seems to be moving the goalposts to set up for failure.

I think Matt Miller was correct in his statements that Netanyahu was sabotaging a deal.

Lolapusht · 31/08/2025 14:23

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:59

Lets hope Hamas surrenders this week. I'm sure we can all agree on that? Right?

(Where’s that goose meme when you need it?!)

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:24

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:11

But he hasn't even responded?

And these were conditions that Israel had agreed to previously.

Seems to be moving the goalposts to set up for failure.

I think Matt Miller was correct in his statements that Netanyahu was sabotaging a deal.

I know he hasn't responded and he obviously isn't going to. He had already listed his new requirements for a ceasefire which included Hamas disarming and leaving Gaza, and the proposal that Hamas agreed to did not meet Israel's requirements.

I said months ago that the longer this goes on, the worse it is going to be for Gazans and this has proved to be the case. Netanyahu doesn't get softer in his conditions as more Hamas leaders and militants are destroyed, he gets tougher.

Any other army losing so badly in military terms would have surrendered by now and accepted they have no option but to accept poor terms such as Germany had to do. But Hamas refuse to do that because they are making some propaganda wins at least and that seems to be their primary concern.

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:33

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:24

I know he hasn't responded and he obviously isn't going to. He had already listed his new requirements for a ceasefire which included Hamas disarming and leaving Gaza, and the proposal that Hamas agreed to did not meet Israel's requirements.

I said months ago that the longer this goes on, the worse it is going to be for Gazans and this has proved to be the case. Netanyahu doesn't get softer in his conditions as more Hamas leaders and militants are destroyed, he gets tougher.

Any other army losing so badly in military terms would have surrendered by now and accepted they have no option but to accept poor terms such as Germany had to do. But Hamas refuse to do that because they are making some propaganda wins at least and that seems to be their primary concern.

I would imagine if Hamas agree to disarm he will change the conditions again.

The only propaganda wins Hamas are making are due to the actions of himself and his government. Now that aid is being shut off to Gaza City an area already in famine the images coming from there as well as the death toll are going to be horrendous.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/08/2025 14:34

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:11

But he hasn't even responded?

And these were conditions that Israel had agreed to previously.

Seems to be moving the goalposts to set up for failure.

I think Matt Miller was correct in his statements that Netanyahu was sabotaging a deal.

Haaretz today, August 31st.

Israel's Cabinet Not Expected to Discuss Hostage Deal Despite Hamas' Approval Two Weeks Ago
Netanyahu has not officially rejected the cease-fire proposal as of yet, but political sources have indicated that the current framework is 'irrelevant.' Minister Miki Zohar hinted that Israel is expected to issue an official rejection soon.
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The Israeli security cabinet is not expected to discuss on Sunday a framework for a partial hostage release deal, according to several sources familiar with the matter.

Instead, the cabinet ministers are expected to focus primarily on progress in preparations for a military operation to take control of Gaza City. Even last Tuesday, the cabinet convened without discussing a deal, amid widespread protests across the country calling for the release of the hostages and despite Hamas having accepted the mediators' proposal two weeks ago.

According to a political source, no new decision on the matter is expected in tomorrow's meeting, after the decision to take over Gaza was approved last week by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the smaller security cabinet.

Ministers will also discuss the intentions of several countries to recognize a Palestinian state during the UN General Assembly in September, as well as possible Israeli responses. These could include ministers' calls for annexation, imposing sanctions on the Palestinian Authority, or evacuating the Palestinian village of Khan al-Ahmar in the West Bank, despite the international criticism such a move would provoke.

So far, Prime Minister Netanyahu has not officially announced a postponement of the partial deal framework that Hamas agreed to about two weeks ago, nor has he presented a clear alternative plan.

However, political sources have indicated that the current formula is "irrelevant" from Israel's perspective.

Culture and Sports Minister Miki Zohar, who is not a member of the cabinet, hinted on Saturday on the Israeli program Meet the Press that Israel is expected to issue an official statement rejecting the framework soon. "There is a clear decision by the State of Israel, which will be communicated more explicitly in the coming days. Only a full deal is possible; there is no longer an option for a partial deal," Zohar said.

The framework approved by Hamas is an updated version of the "Witkoff framework" presented by the U.S. administration, based on principles provided by Israel. Sources explained that the formula approved by Hamas is almost identical to the version Israel supported until about a month ago.

The proposed framework includes the release of ten living hostages and 18 bodies of hostages during a 60-day cease-fire. Israel is expected to release, in exchange for the living hostages, 140 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 60 prisoners serving sentences of more than 14 years. In return for each hostage body, ten bodies of Palestinians held in Israel would be released. The proposal also includes a partial withdrawal of the IDF from areas in northern and eastern Gaza, to a distance of about 1,000 meters from the border, except in Shujaiya and Beit Lahia.

So far, there has been no progress in the public track of negotiations with mediators Egypt and Qatar. A political source reported last week that Netanyahu decided to dispatch the Israeli negotiation team "once a time and place for the talks is set." However, no progress has been announced. Last week, Egypt and Qatar placed responsibility for the delay in the negotiations on Israel, citing its slow response regarding the framework.

During the weekend, it was announced that the bodies of hostages Ilan Weiss and Idan Shtivi were retrieved from the Gaza Strip, lowering the number of hostages held in the enclave to 48.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/08/2025 14:38

Sorry @Everexpanding that was all separate from the idea of the thread which was trying to help Gazan women.

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:39

Thank you @ScrollingLeaves . It is quite clear the intentions are the annexation of the area and nothing else.

Lolapusht · 31/08/2025 15:29

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:33

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that this situation did not begin on October 7th, the civilian population are not responsible for the actions of Hamas and do not deserve being bombed and displaced for nearly two years and more recently starved

How far back are you going to go and will your walk through history include what both sides have done or will it just focus on what Israel has done? Pre-1948 or just stop there?

This current war is absolutely Hamas’ responsibility. They knew exactly what would happen and were willing to sacrifice their innocent civilians. Instead of launching a terroir attack they could have demanded internationally hosted talks to thrash out a solution or any number of things other than a war starting act of violence.

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 15:45

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:33

I would imagine if Hamas agree to disarm he will change the conditions again.

The only propaganda wins Hamas are making are due to the actions of himself and his government. Now that aid is being shut off to Gaza City an area already in famine the images coming from there as well as the death toll are going to be horrendous.

I can imagine that you do imagine that.

I think his demands are perfectly reasonable and it makes total sense for Hamas to disarm and leave Gaza rather than remaining- with weapons! - to start the whole cycle again.

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 15:56

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 15:45

I can imagine that you do imagine that.

I think his demands are perfectly reasonable and it makes total sense for Hamas to disarm and leave Gaza rather than remaining- with weapons! - to start the whole cycle again.

Agreed. Hamas could try surrendering. If Netanyahu changes the goalposts well we'll deal with that at the time. I imagine the Israeli voting public would mostly be happy with surrender and disarm. As would the international community. It is odd how people on this board don't want to give it a try.

CaramelPecan · 31/08/2025 16:03

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 15:45

I can imagine that you do imagine that.

I think his demands are perfectly reasonable and it makes total sense for Hamas to disarm and leave Gaza rather than remaining- with weapons! - to start the whole cycle again.

They are probably the minimum any government would require but because he’s the leader of the Jews Israel he is made out to be some sort of demon, as he was very artfully portrayed in that beautifully appointed poster Hamas managed to create amid a genocide at the celebration parade of the murders of a Jewish mother and her babies, and an 87 year old man.

I think some actually took that picture as fact too.

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 16:07

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 15:45

I can imagine that you do imagine that.

I think his demands are perfectly reasonable and it makes total sense for Hamas to disarm and leave Gaza rather than remaining- with weapons! - to start the whole cycle again.

I think they are reasonable too.
Hamas should disarm.

What I don't think is reasonable is his manipulation of the ceasefire talks so that they fail and his goals of there being no Palestinan state are realised

The talks are a charade.

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