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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 7)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 20/07/2025 08:45

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/19/killing-of-young-siblings-at-gaza-water-point-shows-seeking-lifes-essentials-now-a-deadly-peril

A continuation of https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5311075-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-6?page=1

The Israeli army are using aid centres as target practice.

The Israeli government is proposing building a 'refugee' centre in Rafah with an extra special feature - no one is allowed to leave.

Hotel California?

Killing of young siblings at Gaza water point shows seeking life’s essentials now a deadly peril

Karam al-Ghussain, 9, and Lulu, 10, were fetching water from a nearby distribution station when an Israeli strike hit it, and them

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/19/killing-of-young-siblings-at-gaza-water-point-shows-seeking-lifes-essentials-now-a-deadly-peril

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Martymcfly24 · 28/11/2025 18:26

https://www.thejournal.ie/israeli-soldiers-execute-unarmed-men-west-bank-surrendered-6887930-Nov2025/
I have read it too @10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne

Of course that evil man Gvir immediately sides with the soldiers.

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 28/11/2025 20:05

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Fail to see the relevance but it's good to know there is always someone who will come on to justify soliders from the "most moral army "beating and executing two unarmed men.

Fair play.

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 28/11/2025 22:47

Martymcfly24 · 28/11/2025 22:06

Fail to see the relevance but it's good to know there is always someone who will come on to justify soliders from the "most moral army "beating and executing two unarmed men.

Fair play.

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Didn’t you even read the article you posted?

In it Hamas and the PA describe the poor unarmed terrorists as ‘youths’ which explains a lot.

Do you not think the PA’s continued decades old pay for slay policy has any bearing on the incitement of terrorism among Palestinians in the West Bank?

Why any normal person would give two hoots about wanted terrorists being killed either before or after capture is beyond me. They want to be martyrs, they got it.

The media you read calls the IDF the IOF which makes your bias crystal clear.

Martymcfly24 · 28/11/2025 22:51

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 28/11/2025 22:47

Didn’t you even read the article you posted?

In it Hamas and the PA describe the poor unarmed terrorists as ‘youths’ which explains a lot.

Do you not think the PA’s continued decades old pay for slay policy has any bearing on the incitement of terrorism among Palestinians in the West Bank?

Why any normal person would give two hoots about wanted terrorists being killed either before or after capture is beyond me. They want to be martyrs, they got it.

The media you read calls the IDF the IOF which makes your bias crystal clear.

Could you post please a link to an article where The Journal refers to the IDF as the IOF?

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 01:14

Martymcfly24 · 28/11/2025 22:51

Could you post please a link to an article where The Journal refers to the IDF as the IOF?

First three words in the article - ‘ISRAELI OCCUPATION FORCES’

Case in point of how some are not even consciously aware of propaganda right in front of them.

Ellen2shoes · 29/11/2025 01:50

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 28/11/2025 22:47

Didn’t you even read the article you posted?

In it Hamas and the PA describe the poor unarmed terrorists as ‘youths’ which explains a lot.

Do you not think the PA’s continued decades old pay for slay policy has any bearing on the incitement of terrorism among Palestinians in the West Bank?

Why any normal person would give two hoots about wanted terrorists being killed either before or after capture is beyond me. They want to be martyrs, they got it.

The media you read calls the IDF the IOF which makes your bias crystal clear.

You’re citing memri which makes your bias crystal clear

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 06:45

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 01:14

First three words in the article - ‘ISRAELI OCCUPATION FORCES’

Case in point of how some are not even consciously aware of propaganda right in front of them.

It happened in the West Bank an area deemed an Occupied Territory since 1967 something that has been agreed by the Israeli Supreme Court itself (who use the term "belligerent occupation".

Therefore it is not propaganda but rather fact to refer to them as Occupation Forces when in the West Bank and the IDF or Israeli army as their correct name as a whole as occurs in the article.

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 06:49

Ellen2shoes · 29/11/2025 01:50

You’re citing memri which makes your bias crystal clear

After Yigal Carmon the founder is former Israeli Military.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 29/11/2025 08:03

Looks like someone has misplaced their outrage.

TreesTreesBeesBees · 29/11/2025 09:47

The Palestinian Authority (PA) is currently paying out the salaries to Palestinian prisoners, contrary to Western media reports that these payments have been stopped. As a matter of fact, the PA has not suspended its practice of "pay to slay" – that is, paying salaries to between 35,000 and 40,000 Palestinian prisoners who carried out attacks on Israelis, including civilians, and to the families of "martyrs," i.e. terrorists killed in these attacks.

PayTo Slay is 🤢

Ellen2shoes · 29/11/2025 12:13

Again, MIMRI is a questionable source which promotes Israeli propaganda. Take a quick glance at its founders, funders and credibility ratings.

One immediate red flag in your post (other than it appears to be on the wrong thread) is the number of prisoners claimed as paid in relation to attacks on Israeli citizens. Check out the below UN report. It’s old but lays out the data for attacks by both Palestinians and Israelis alongside numbers of deaths and there’s even a block graph looking at 2000-2010. You can see how many more Palestinians were attacked/ killed than Israelis in that time and the staggering comparative percentage of Palestinian children included in those figures even then.

Obviously the disparity will now be so much greater and I have seen similar graphs with more recent data but can’t find right now. It’s horribly chilling to read reports on comparative attacks and deaths in order to understand context, but it is better than plucking out random figures cited in sound bites from entirely biased sources.

anwww.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 15:15

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 06:45

It happened in the West Bank an area deemed an Occupied Territory since 1967 something that has been agreed by the Israeli Supreme Court itself (who use the term "belligerent occupation".

Therefore it is not propaganda but rather fact to refer to them as Occupation Forces when in the West Bank and the IDF or Israeli army as their correct name as a whole as occurs in the article.

Did the Israeli Supreme Court determine who the land was occupied from seeing as there was no sovereign Palestinian State in 1967 and only a just emerging nationalist Palestinian Arab identity that had been created by Yasser Arafat 3 years before?

The Palestinians have also rejected opportunities to declare their own State on the land on multiple occasions so how does it make sense to say they are oppressed and had control of their land taken away from them!

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 15:59

Ellen2shoes · 29/11/2025 12:13

Again, MIMRI is a questionable source which promotes Israeli propaganda. Take a quick glance at its founders, funders and credibility ratings.

One immediate red flag in your post (other than it appears to be on the wrong thread) is the number of prisoners claimed as paid in relation to attacks on Israeli citizens. Check out the below UN report. It’s old but lays out the data for attacks by both Palestinians and Israelis alongside numbers of deaths and there’s even a block graph looking at 2000-2010. You can see how many more Palestinians were attacked/ killed than Israelis in that time and the staggering comparative percentage of Palestinian children included in those figures even then.

Obviously the disparity will now be so much greater and I have seen similar graphs with more recent data but can’t find right now. It’s horribly chilling to read reports on comparative attacks and deaths in order to understand context, but it is better than plucking out random figures cited in sound bites from entirely biased sources.

anwww.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

You can discredit sources which don’t fit your narrative all you like, but are you denying the PA’s Pay for Slay policy exists and or claiming that it’s stopped now? I used MEMRI as it was the first one that came up.

Here’s a few more obviously bias ones because funnily enough MSM don’t really seem to bother to report stuff like this.

www.timesofisrael.com/saar-insists-pa-still-paying-terrorists-in-pay-for-slay-policy-despite-promises/amp/

https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/10/31/here-is-concrete-proof-the-palestinian-authority-is-continuing-pay-for-slay-to-terrorists/

Here’s a European source, rather than ME source though, will that do you?

https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/18/is-the-palestinian-martyrs-fund-still-operational

I don’t know what it is about pro-Palestinians that affects their critical thinking skills, but a highly advanced country, both technologically and intellectually, that values the lives of it’s citizens and responds to a clear and present ongoing threat on a DEFENSIVE stance which it has been forced and motivated to create unprecedented defensive mechanisms in response to, is going to have a much lower casualty rate than a group of regressive ideologically brainwashed, low IQ terrorists and their supporters, who operate on the OFFENSIVE, glorify death and think the highest honour in life is to be gained by slaughtering as many innocent civilians due to their race as possible or by being killed while they or their compatriots are trying to kill innocent civilians while screaming ‘God is Great’ and using their own children as human shields.

It’s doesn’t take much to understand that logic.

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Here Is Concrete Proof the Palestinian Authority Is Continuing ‘Pay-for-Slay’ to Terrorists

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Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 19:46

https://www.thejournal.ie/two-boys-killed-in-israeli-strike-gaza-6889387-Nov2025/

More IDF executions of unarmed civilians , this time 10 and 8 year old little boys collecting firewood.

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 20:01

peanutcookie · 29/11/2025 19:49

The statement from the IDF makes me sick to my stomach. An 8 year old and an 11 year old killed by drones as reported by Sky News

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRpjs5DE3mZ/?img_index=1&igsh=MWNraHY2M2pidXNhZQ==

Exactly: the statement Israeli soldiers “identified two suspects who crossed the Yellow Line, conducted suspicious activities on the ground, and approached IDF (military) troops operating in the southern Gaza Strip, posing an immediate threat to them,” the military said in a statement.

“Following the identification, the IAF (Israeli Air Force) eliminated the suspects in order to remove the threat.”

This is who they identified as a threat.

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 7)
WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 21:32

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 20:01

Exactly: the statement Israeli soldiers “identified two suspects who crossed the Yellow Line, conducted suspicious activities on the ground, and approached IDF (military) troops operating in the southern Gaza Strip, posing an immediate threat to them,” the military said in a statement.

“Following the identification, the IAF (Israeli Air Force) eliminated the suspects in order to remove the threat.”

This is who they identified as a threat.

Well that picture is not of an 8 year old and an 11 year old. Those children are much younger than that, 3-4 years younger. Odd because Gaza is awash with smartphones so you’d think there would be a more recent picture.

Why would they cross the line which Gazans will know about because the IDF has been clear that anyone crossing it will be deemed a threat? Why send kids towards a military force they are in danger from just to collect firewood? They seem to have Uncles, why wouldn’t they get the firewood?

The IDF would have seen exactly what they were doing, and confirmed a threat. Could have been sent to throw IEDs, to dig up hidden weapons (it’s been reported Hamas has been trying to retrieve weapons they’ve hidden) and it’s not like Palestinians haven’t used kids in this way before.

Kids ‘activity camps’ to train them to use weapons and kill Jews have been running for years in Gaza.

Posting an old picture of much younger kids with the usual emotive storyline that they were ‘collecting firewood to help their disabled father’ proves nothing.

Can I ask that if you were in a scenario as a soldier where a couple of kids were approaching with an IED in hand to throw at you, would you just let them throw it to kill you and your fellow soldiers because they were a kid?

Obviously this is an unimaginable thought as we will never experienced it in our comfy armchairs in the UK, but the IDF have a lot of experience of children being used like this and it is utterly dispicable, but zero outrage from the pro-Palestinians of course.

Terrible these boys have lost their lives when they should have been protected by their parents and government, instead of being used as human sacrifices to engineer more hate towards Israel.

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 21:59

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 21:32

Well that picture is not of an 8 year old and an 11 year old. Those children are much younger than that, 3-4 years younger. Odd because Gaza is awash with smartphones so you’d think there would be a more recent picture.

Why would they cross the line which Gazans will know about because the IDF has been clear that anyone crossing it will be deemed a threat? Why send kids towards a military force they are in danger from just to collect firewood? They seem to have Uncles, why wouldn’t they get the firewood?

The IDF would have seen exactly what they were doing, and confirmed a threat. Could have been sent to throw IEDs, to dig up hidden weapons (it’s been reported Hamas has been trying to retrieve weapons they’ve hidden) and it’s not like Palestinians haven’t used kids in this way before.

Kids ‘activity camps’ to train them to use weapons and kill Jews have been running for years in Gaza.

Posting an old picture of much younger kids with the usual emotive storyline that they were ‘collecting firewood to help their disabled father’ proves nothing.

Can I ask that if you were in a scenario as a soldier where a couple of kids were approaching with an IED in hand to throw at you, would you just let them throw it to kill you and your fellow soldiers because they were a kid?

Obviously this is an unimaginable thought as we will never experienced it in our comfy armchairs in the UK, but the IDF have a lot of experience of children being used like this and it is utterly dispicable, but zero outrage from the pro-Palestinians of course.

Terrible these boys have lost their lives when they should have been protected by their parents and government, instead of being used as human sacrifices to engineer more hate towards Israel.

Was wondering how long the justification post would take.

Not long it seems.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/11/2025 00:26

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 29/11/2025 21:32

Well that picture is not of an 8 year old and an 11 year old. Those children are much younger than that, 3-4 years younger. Odd because Gaza is awash with smartphones so you’d think there would be a more recent picture.

Why would they cross the line which Gazans will know about because the IDF has been clear that anyone crossing it will be deemed a threat? Why send kids towards a military force they are in danger from just to collect firewood? They seem to have Uncles, why wouldn’t they get the firewood?

The IDF would have seen exactly what they were doing, and confirmed a threat. Could have been sent to throw IEDs, to dig up hidden weapons (it’s been reported Hamas has been trying to retrieve weapons they’ve hidden) and it’s not like Palestinians haven’t used kids in this way before.

Kids ‘activity camps’ to train them to use weapons and kill Jews have been running for years in Gaza.

Posting an old picture of much younger kids with the usual emotive storyline that they were ‘collecting firewood to help their disabled father’ proves nothing.

Can I ask that if you were in a scenario as a soldier where a couple of kids were approaching with an IED in hand to throw at you, would you just let them throw it to kill you and your fellow soldiers because they were a kid?

Obviously this is an unimaginable thought as we will never experienced it in our comfy armchairs in the UK, but the IDF have a lot of experience of children being used like this and it is utterly dispicable, but zero outrage from the pro-Palestinians of course.

Terrible these boys have lost their lives when they should have been protected by their parents and government, instead of being used as human sacrifices to engineer more hate towards Israel.

Hi
I think you could do with watching “Breaking Ranks” on ITV where IDF soldiers talk about how IDF soldiers deliberately target and kill Palestinian civilians, blow up buildings with innocent people in them on a whim and use drones to follow and kill unarmed civilians. Quite eye opening really.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

Israeli soldiers speak out on killings of Gaza civilians

IDF soldiers tell documentary of opening fire unprovoked and arbitrary designations of who was an enemy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 30/11/2025 00:43

What do you think I’ve justified?

Do you have evidence to prove that these poor boys weren’t set up to carry out terrorist activities on behalf of the cowardly adults terrorists who were elected as their government and who chose to deliberately start a war to bring death to their people?

Do you deny that children have been exploited by Palestinians for terrorist purposes for decades? There is complete silence on this subject from pro-Palestinians which I find strange.

Here’s a few links from various years:

https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/childr

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/cfi-subm/hrc60-children/subm-child-violations-hr-cso-12-ngo-monitor.pdf

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150352004en.pdf

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-accuses-hamas-islamic-jihad-of-using-child-soldiers/

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/WNT/story?id=1536576

https://www.arabnews.com/node/246569

https://www.jns.org/coalition-to-press-unicef-to-demand-palestinians-stop-militarizing-children/

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/cfi-subm/hrc60-children/subm-child-violations-hr-cso-12-ngo-monitor.pdf

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 30/11/2025 00:44

That was in response to @Martymcfly24

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 30/11/2025 05:25

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