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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 7)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 20/07/2025 08:45

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/19/killing-of-young-siblings-at-gaza-water-point-shows-seeking-lifes-essentials-now-a-deadly-peril

A continuation of https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5311075-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-6?page=1

The Israeli army are using aid centres as target practice.

The Israeli government is proposing building a 'refugee' centre in Rafah with an extra special feature - no one is allowed to leave.

Hotel California?

Killing of young siblings at Gaza water point shows seeking life’s essentials now a deadly peril

Karam al-Ghussain, 9, and Lulu, 10, were fetching water from a nearby distribution station when an Israeli strike hit it, and them

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/19/killing-of-young-siblings-at-gaza-water-point-shows-seeking-lifes-essentials-now-a-deadly-peril

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Martymcfly24 · 30/11/2025 07:58

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 30/11/2025 00:44

That was in response to @Martymcfly24

64% of Israelis believe there are no innocent in Gaza.
It would appear that is something you agree with.

Thanks for the many articles .

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/11/2025 08:45

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 30/11/2025 00:43

What do you think I’ve justified?

Do you have evidence to prove that these poor boys weren’t set up to carry out terrorist activities on behalf of the cowardly adults terrorists who were elected as their government and who chose to deliberately start a war to bring death to their people?

Do you deny that children have been exploited by Palestinians for terrorist purposes for decades? There is complete silence on this subject from pro-Palestinians which I find strange.

Here’s a few links from various years:

https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/childr

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/cfi-subm/hrc60-children/subm-child-violations-hr-cso-12-ngo-monitor.pdf

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150352004en.pdf

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-accuses-hamas-islamic-jihad-of-using-child-soldiers/

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/WNT/story?id=1536576

https://www.arabnews.com/node/246569

https://www.jns.org/coalition-to-press-unicef-to-demand-palestinians-stop-militarizing-children/

Hamas banned the use of children in the military 20 years ago, well established fact that has been well documented!

Hamas do run military summer camps for teenagers as do the IDF - both use it to indoctrinate young people. The IDF also do military camps for foreigners between 14-18 to encourage them to come over and join the IDF.

You keep using the excuse that these kids might be carrying out an attack - show me evidence of any attacks carried out by 8 year olds in the last two years, better still show me evidence of attack carried out by 8 year olds in Gaza in the last decade. How many IDF soldiers have been killed in this conflict by children? I think you’ll find the answer around the 0 mark and yet 20,000+ children have been killed by the IDF. Who is more scary?

Also please do not go on a mother’s site and say that it was okay for a fully grown soldier to shoot unarmed CHILDREN because they broke the rules and should have known better. Children break rules everywhere, all the time, it is not an excuse to shoot them.

On a side note, I challenge the authority of those rules - imagine if I put a yellow line in Tel Aviv and said “anyone who crosses it I can shoot”, would you find that legal or justified?

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The thread on Breaking Ranks on this board had a number of quotes by IDF soldiers from various different ranks within the IDF, I’ve copied a selection of them. These are straight from IDF soldiers.

“If you want to shoot without restraint, you can."

”There are certainly soldiers and officers in the IDF who really, really want to kill all the arabs. Really. That's the reason why they put on their uniforms."

"You can justify a lot in the name of destroying Hamas. You can push the red line very, very far."

”Teenagers would sometimes walk there. The company commander really wanted us to kill them. My platoon commander just told him, "No." Later, the company commander really gave it to him. There's no one above the company commander, and if he tells you to shoot, it's not like you'll be prosecuted for it."

"We fired quite a few warning shots, but we also killed at least one person."

"Every man of fighting age is supposedly a terrorist. And must be killed. No matter if he has weapons or not."

"We saw two teenagers pushing some sort of cart. And the first shot fired was directly to the head. And I was like, "Woah, that's not exactly what I would have done."

"I didn't shoot at any unarmed Palestinians myself, but I did see it happen with my own eyes."

"If you want to shoot without restraint, you can. One time, there was a building that was being used for humanitarian purposes. One of the commanders really, really wanted to target this building. But we told him very clearly, "Mate, this building is off limits." Then he fired a shell at it anyway. And he said, "I saw an anti-tank weapon aimed at me." Now go prove him wrong. Prove him wrong"

"I personally witnessed a relatively high-ranking officer order a tank to take down a building. The building was on the side of the line where they [Palestinians] were "allowed" to be. A man was standing on the roof, hanging laundry, and the officer decided that he was a spotter. He’s not a spotter. He’s hanging his laundry. You can see that he’s hanging laundry. Now, it’s not as if this man had binoculars or weapons. The closest military force was 600-700 metres away. So unless he had eagle eyes, how could he possibly be a spotter? And the tank fired a shell. The building half collapsed. And the result was many dead and wounded. . . . This kind of thing happened every week. And that's just my unit, there are dozens of units on the ground at any given moment."

"If you want to, you can always find a reason to incriminate someone. The question is, what are your standards? How much effort does it take to incriminate a human being? If I wanted to, I could incriminate the entire Strip. Is this building too big, do you find it threatening? Go ahead, shoot."

"At the end of our deployment in the Strip, we submitted a report. The commander's summary. And it said that we "took down [killed] 112 terrorists." I can confidently say that only one of them... Only one! Was even suspected of being armed. That is, the 111 other people we killed, no one even claimed they were armed."

Kakeandkake · 30/11/2025 08:56

Martymcfly24 · 29/11/2025 19:46

https://www.thejournal.ie/two-boys-killed-in-israeli-strike-gaza-6889387-Nov2025/

More IDF executions of unarmed civilians , this time 10 and 8 year old little boys collecting firewood.

Just IDF terrorists, doing their usual terrorists activities. Nothing to see here according to some posters.

Ellen2shoes · 30/11/2025 11:02

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WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 30/11/2025 18:26

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That may be your narrative. Mine is that this a war which seems to be totally omitted from yours.

Can I ask - do you not think the atrocities of Oct 7th were a declaration of a war, or did the Palestinians just go on a rampaga of slaughter, rape and hostage taking, and celebrating the dead bodies of Israelis being paraded through the streets afterwards, because they wanted peace?

It’s not racist to point out the truth btw. The Palestinians;(and it wasn’t only Hamas) must logically have been pretty stupid to expect that Israel wouldn’t have retaliated to an act of war like that, like any other country would have?

If you don’t agree, what do you think their ultimate plan was when they spent years preparing for it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67480680.amp

Hamas training exercise in Gaza

How Hamas built a force to attack Israel on 7 October - BBC News

BBC Arabic and BBC Verify have pieced together how armed groups came together to train for the assault.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67480680.amp

Martymcfly24 · 30/11/2025 18:31

@WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes is your narrative that the events of October 7th justify the "elimination" of 8 and 10 year old little boys by drones.

Because I fail to see how your previous post could be read in any other way.

I mean there is war and there is just vile cruelty.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 30/11/2025 20:02

Maybe you are just vehemently anti Palestinian? Looks that way.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 30/11/2025 20:08

Israel: highly advanced country, both technologically and intellectually
Palestine: a group of regressive ideologically brainwashed, low IQ terrorists

Sounds a bit like the KKK talking about the coloured people in America, or the same for South Africa. I’m surprised you’re allowed to get away with it..

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 01/12/2025 01:35

Martymcfly24 · 30/11/2025 18:31

@WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes is your narrative that the events of October 7th justify the "elimination" of 8 and 10 year old little boys by drones.

Because I fail to see how your previous post could be read in any other way.

I mean there is war and there is just vile cruelty.

Sadly these children were killed because from the IDF’s statement, they crossed the line and were ‘carrying out suspicious activity in the ground and were approaching forces in a way that posed an immediate threat’.

From that it can be assumed that they were sent to plant something or retrieve something hence the ‘suspicious activity in the ground’ and ‘immediate threat’. The action taken in a kill or be killed situation doesn’t need to be ‘justified’.

What strikes me is why there is no outrage at children being used like this for terrorist activity, basically being deliberately sent to their deaths as as fodder for the anti Israel lobby, and also trained to want to die as martyrs.

That is what I would call vile cruelty and despicable abuse, and yet crickets from the pro-Palestinians and the international community despite it having gone on for decades. Plenty of videos of kids terrorist training ‘summer camps’ and indoctrination if you Google.

It is inconceivable that this would have been ignored and by moot of that supported and funded in any other situation than the ‘Palestinian cause’ IMO where it seems Palestinians have some sort of special dispensation to use kids for terrorism like this right under the nose of UN and international NGOs. Why do you think that is? It is sickening and those little boys died directly because of this in my view.

Here’s someone who’s experienced this first hand, although I’m sure you won’t believe him, but oddly enough believe fellow mostly anonymous, IDF soldiers on the Breaking Ranks documentary without question because it suits your narrative,

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Martymcfly24 · 01/12/2025 07:25

@WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes

"Sadly these children were killed because from the IDF’s statement, they crossed the line and were ‘carrying out suspicious activity in the ground and were approaching forces in a way that posed an immediate threat’."

If the IDF statement said it was raining I would check out the window. They are proven known liars who like to paint all Palestinians (even tiny children) as terrorists carrying out suspicious activity so they can murder with impunity and get away with it. Something that long predates October 7th.

A narrative that has seeped into some supporters I see.

Ellen2shoes · 01/12/2025 09:41

@Martymcfly24 So true

@WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes

You seem fond of accusing posters of believing information because ‘it suits your own narrative’

In the same post, you decide to believe this IDF narrative:

Sadly these children were killed because from the IDF’s statement, they crossed the line and were ‘carrying out suspicious activity in the ground and were approaching forces in a way that posed an immediate threat’.

But not this IDF narrative:

Here’s someone who’s experienced this first hand, although I’m sure you won’t believe him, but oddly enough believe fellow mostly anonymous, IDF soldiers on the Breaking Ranks documentary without question because it suits your narrative,

The irony.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 01/12/2025 13:30

WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes · 01/12/2025 01:35

Sadly these children were killed because from the IDF’s statement, they crossed the line and were ‘carrying out suspicious activity in the ground and were approaching forces in a way that posed an immediate threat’.

From that it can be assumed that they were sent to plant something or retrieve something hence the ‘suspicious activity in the ground’ and ‘immediate threat’. The action taken in a kill or be killed situation doesn’t need to be ‘justified’.

What strikes me is why there is no outrage at children being used like this for terrorist activity, basically being deliberately sent to their deaths as as fodder for the anti Israel lobby, and also trained to want to die as martyrs.

That is what I would call vile cruelty and despicable abuse, and yet crickets from the pro-Palestinians and the international community despite it having gone on for decades. Plenty of videos of kids terrorist training ‘summer camps’ and indoctrination if you Google.

It is inconceivable that this would have been ignored and by moot of that supported and funded in any other situation than the ‘Palestinian cause’ IMO where it seems Palestinians have some sort of special dispensation to use kids for terrorism like this right under the nose of UN and international NGOs. Why do you think that is? It is sickening and those little boys died directly because of this in my view.

Here’s someone who’s experienced this first hand, although I’m sure you won’t believe him, but oddly enough believe fellow mostly anonymous, IDF soldiers on the Breaking Ranks documentary without question because it suits your narrative,

Can you name an Israeli soldier killed by a Palestinian child during this conflict?

Can you point to one incident of a child planting explosives or carrying out any form of terrorist attack during the conflict?

There are 20,000+ Palestinian children killed by the IDF, who is a threat to who?

And on the subject of believing 8-10 year olds can look threatening - a few words from IDF soldiers:

"If you want to, you can always find a reason to incriminate someone. The question is, what are your standards? How much effort does it take to incriminate a human being? If I wanted to, I could incriminate the entire Strip. Is this building too big, do you find it threatening? Go ahead, shoot."

"If you want to shoot without restraint, you can. One time, there was a building that was being used for humanitarian purposes. One of the commanders really, really wanted to target this building. But we told him very clearly, "Mate, this building is off limits." Then he fired a shell at it anyway. And he said, "I saw an anti-tank weapon aimed at me." Now go prove him wrong. Prove him wrong"

”There are certainly soldiers and officers in the IDF who really, really want to kill all the arabs. Really. That's the reason why they put on their uniforms."

Ellen2shoes · 01/12/2025 22:50

When listening to World at One today (please no bbc derails) I was struck still by this woman and tried to find her afterwards. It wasn’t straightforward! It made me think about how invested we all are on here but how far it’s removed from the reality of life in Gaza. We all hate this but have no actual idea from our comfortable lives. This particular thread is better because it’s I think intent is to document rather than opinionated although it’s difficult to avoid ….
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct6rbn?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Ellen2shoes · 01/12/2025 23:01

I have to add that her interview in world at one from 24 minutes in today 1/12 is worth listening to, uninterrupted and broken

PaxAeterna · 02/12/2025 07:12

Ellen2shoes · 01/12/2025 09:41

@Martymcfly24 So true

@WhyAmISurroundedByArseholes

You seem fond of accusing posters of believing information because ‘it suits your own narrative’

In the same post, you decide to believe this IDF narrative:

Sadly these children were killed because from the IDF’s statement, they crossed the line and were ‘carrying out suspicious activity in the ground and were approaching forces in a way that posed an immediate threat’.

But not this IDF narrative:

Here’s someone who’s experienced this first hand, although I’m sure you won’t believe him, but oddly enough believe fellow mostly anonymous, IDF soldiers on the Breaking Ranks documentary without question because it suits your narrative,

The irony.

It’s not that I don’t believe them it’s that I don’t think it contains any details that justify shooting children. Do you? Is that good enough for you? What immediate threat did they pose? Were they armed? What evidence is there of this threat?

There is nothing, only a vague statement. The statement itself is proof that the IDF can shoot and kill anyone in Gaza with no accountability.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/12/2025 20:32

The IDF killed another journalist, Mahmoud Wadi.

today.lorientlejour.com/article/1487005/israeli-airstrike-kills-palestinian-freelance-journalist-mahmoud-wadi-in-khan-younis-local-health-authorities-report.html

Ellen2shoes · 03/12/2025 20:46

Bulldozed corpses and unmarked graves, CNN investigates the fate of Gaza’s missing aid seekers

edition.cnn.com/2025/12/03/middleeast/bulldozed-corpses-gaza-israel-zikim-aid-intl-vis-invs

Martymcfly24 · 04/12/2025 07:21

Five people, including two children, killed in Israeli strikes on shelter camp near Khan Yunis https://jrnl.ie/6893002

Once again civilians (including children) take the brunt of the retaliation to a Hamas action by the IDF launching airstrikes.

Ellen2shoes · 05/12/2025 00:45

Israel’s genocide in Gaza has not stopped, despite the ceasefire: Analysts

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2025/12/2/israels-genocide-in-gaza-has-not-stopped-despite-ceasefire-analysts

To add, British surgeons Victoria Rose and Graeme Groom have recently spoken out about their latest denial of access in to help.

They say that in any case, humanitarian workers given access are only allowed 1000 shekels and 3kg of food for a month’s deployment rendering any aid work virtually impossible. Medical equipment (such as stethoscope) gets confiscated and access is denied arbitrarily at borders. The current links I have to this are on social media as mainstream has not yet reported but credentials of these doctors and previous reports on deployments in Gaza can easily be sourced.

Israel’s genocide in Gaza has not stopped, despite the ceasefire: Analysts

Israel’s genocide in Gaza has not stopped, despite the ceasefire: Analysts

Analysts and a human rights group say Israel's genocide in Gaza has not stopped, despite the ceasefire.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2025/12/2/israels-genocide-in-gaza-has-not-stopped-despite-ceasefire-analysts

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 08/12/2025 09:16

A three year old terrorist?

fixingmylife · 08/12/2025 09:30

Shocking. I expect no less from the IDF.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/12/2025 09:39

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 08/12/2025 09:16

A three year old terrorist?

According to the IDF, yes. 😳

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 08/12/2025 09:41

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/12/2025 09:39

According to the IDF, yes. 😳

Yes, I saw. Going to run them over on their tricycle? It’s truly horriffic.