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Conflict in the Middle East

To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

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BotanicalCake · 03/04/2025 21:34

We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

The Guardian view on Israel’s killing of paramedics: a new atrocity in an unending conflict | Editorial

Editorial: Impunity over Palestinian deaths in Gaza will lead to further cases like this massacre of rescue and healthcare workers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

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Idkw2d · 04/04/2025 19:27

devourfeculence · 04/04/2025 14:39

You're actually saying that people should be killed for having an opinion?

Surprise! I didn’t say that.

Not sure why my comment was deleted but I said people who do not value other people’s lives because they live in Palestine shouldn’t be given any privilege or any value to their own life either.

Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinians and anyone who justifies the genocide should be ashamed of themselves.

First they came for… and I did not speak… the poem by Niemoller is so relevant here.

Idkw2d · 04/04/2025 19:28

blackmousewhitetail · 04/04/2025 14:57

Not sure why the Muslims countries around aren't helping

You have seen what Israel/USA did and continues to do to Yemen and Lebanon, no?

Idkw2d · 04/04/2025 19:31

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

So “let them all burn” shouldn’t be deleted??

but my comment on people who don’t value Palestinian lives being unworthy of respect was deleted?? lol!

its a genocide, like it or not

israel is a terrorist state and nothing will change that

anyone who justifies the indiscriminate killing of Palestinian lives deserves no sympathy

OppsUpsSide · 04/04/2025 19:50

Would you settle for attempted ethnic cleansing? Is that a better way to phrase it?

No.

Mylegishangingoff · 04/04/2025 20:13

OppsUpsSide · 04/04/2025 19:50

Would you settle for attempted ethnic cleansing? Is that a better way to phrase it?

No.

So what do you call driving people out of their homeland and annexing it like Israel are doing in the West Bank and Gaza?

If Israelis were being forced out of their homes in Israel and being told they would be allowed to return what would you call it?

Sorkh · 04/04/2025 20:21

Mylegishangingoff · 04/04/2025 20:13

So what do you call driving people out of their homeland and annexing it like Israel are doing in the West Bank and Gaza?

If Israelis were being forced out of their homes in Israel and being told they would be allowed to return what would you call it?

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Israeli's were forcibly evicted from Gaza in 2005. In the hope of peace. Which hasn't happened. The extreme Islamist force has hit hard there. It needs to be defeated before there can be any positive changes.

Mylegishangingoff · 04/04/2025 20:33

Sorkh · 04/04/2025 20:21

Israeli's were forcibly evicted from Gaza in 2005. In the hope of peace. Which hasn't happened. The extreme Islamist force has hit hard there. It needs to be defeated before there can be any positive changes.

They were paid off by their own government to move out of occupied lands. They were given between $150000 and $400000 to move back to Israel. Considering you are comparing this with what Israel are doing to Palestinians are you under the impression that Israel are paying Palestinians hundreds of thousands of dollars when they forcibly move them? Or what exactly was your point in comparing violent evictions from your homeland with being paid to go back to your homeland?

devourfeculence · 04/04/2025 20:44

Idkw2d · 04/04/2025 19:27

Surprise! I didn’t say that.

Not sure why my comment was deleted but I said people who do not value other people’s lives because they live in Palestine shouldn’t be given any privilege or any value to their own life either.

Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinians and anyone who justifies the genocide should be ashamed of themselves.

First they came for… and I did not speak… the poem by Niemoller is so relevant here.

You said that people who defend Israel should face mass killings and genocide. Which is why it was deleted.

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 22:34

if the IDF were so good at genocide there would be no one left in Gaza. Is there any other army in the world that gives “notice” to ask civilians to move away from the specific areas they are going to attack?
Genocide? It’s hammas propaganda and total bs.
Maybe look at other awful conflicts in the world where they really are decimating entire ethnic groups instead and talk about them.

Martymcfly24 · 04/04/2025 22:39

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 22:34

if the IDF were so good at genocide there would be no one left in Gaza. Is there any other army in the world that gives “notice” to ask civilians to move away from the specific areas they are going to attack?
Genocide? It’s hammas propaganda and total bs.
Maybe look at other awful conflicts in the world where they really are decimating entire ethnic groups instead and talk about them.

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Shameful answer.

There is wrong on both sides of this conflict but to say it is "total bs" is a slur on the memory of the thousands of civilians that have been butchered.

And it's spelt Hamas.

happyhermione · 04/04/2025 22:45

I feel deaperately helpless reading these articles. My heart breaks for Palestine

Jerabilis · 04/04/2025 23:02

Yes, hopefully Hamas will choose to release the hostages and surrender, or at least stop using the people of Gaza as human shields and torturing and murdering the brave people who have been protesting against them.

But that would require Hamas to care about the people of Gaza so I won't hold my breath.

Martymcfly24 · 04/04/2025 23:10

Jerabilis · 04/04/2025 23:02

Yes, hopefully Hamas will choose to release the hostages and surrender, or at least stop using the people of Gaza as human shields and torturing and murdering the brave people who have been protesting against them.

But that would require Hamas to care about the people of Gaza so I won't hold my breath.

  1. Releasing hostages won't stop the slaughter according to Netanyahu.
  2. IDF use human shields also.
  3. Hamas and their actions are evil and thank God people are protesting.
Odras · 04/04/2025 23:13

They have already said that the war won’t end even if the hostages are returned. They are preparing for the “voluntary” migration of Gazan’s. The suffering of Palestinians is horrifying.

It’s also bigger than that though. A war criminal is being hosted by an EU country and the US is supplying the weapons and being completely silent about the atrocities. These far right populist governments are changing the whole world order. It feels a bit scary to be honest. We may as well rip up international law. It is meaningless now and we will all be less safe because of it. I truly believe we are entering a time when there will be more wars where more civilians are targeted.

Odras · 04/04/2025 23:17

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 22:34

if the IDF were so good at genocide there would be no one left in Gaza. Is there any other army in the world that gives “notice” to ask civilians to move away from the specific areas they are going to attack?
Genocide? It’s hammas propaganda and total bs.
Maybe look at other awful conflicts in the world where they really are decimating entire ethnic groups instead and talk about them.

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They don’t seem to be moving people away from areas that they attack now. I mean they weren’t consistent before but they had the US wagging the finger at them before. They aren’t even pretending that they care about international law now. They have been emboldened by Trump. Sure just 6 months ago annexation of Gaza was just a fantasy. Now it is going to happen.

Mylegishangingoff · 04/04/2025 23:20

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 22:34

if the IDF were so good at genocide there would be no one left in Gaza. Is there any other army in the world that gives “notice” to ask civilians to move away from the specific areas they are going to attack?
Genocide? It’s hammas propaganda and total bs.
Maybe look at other awful conflicts in the world where they really are decimating entire ethnic groups instead and talk about them.

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Is there another army in the world that blocks all aid for over a month? What's Israels intention blocking children from having cancer treatment, medication for diabetes or other life threatening conditions? If they don't want these children to die what are they doing to help them, they know they can't survive without medication. You can't block medical care and then pretend that the intentional isn't to kill people, what other intention could there be?

Remember the outrage at an ambulance being blocked by those eco campaigners in the UK? One ambulance generated 1000s and 1000s of outraged comments online and off. People wanted the perpetrators locked up for life. Israel are purposefully blocking 10s of 1000s of people from receiving any treatment at all and you are here talking them up and telling people to look elsewhere. What happened to you?

Potsofpetals · 04/04/2025 23:20

blackmousewhitetail · 04/04/2025 14:57

Not sure why the Muslims countries around aren't helping

They’re not only not helping but for a long time they refused to take any refugees. Now why do you think that is?

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 23:27

YANBU @BotanicalCake.

Unfortunately the only people who can stop the mass murders in Gaza are those who are doing it and their supporters. A minority enacting, facilitating and supporting mass murder for their own ends.Sad

Gansy · 04/04/2025 23:30

To anyone on this thread doubting that this is a genocide, you’re brainwashed. WAKE UP.

There is warrant out for BN’s arrest by the ICC for his genocide war crimes.

The UN has classed it so based on clear evidence. Palestinians in Gaza are trapped and being annihilated. 50% of them are children.

Remember when they bombed the first hospital by ‘mistake’… now look.

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:34

Martymcfly24 · 04/04/2025 22:39

Shameful answer.

There is wrong on both sides of this conflict but to say it is "total bs" is a slur on the memory of the thousands of civilians that have been butchered.

And it's spelt Hamas.

Didn’t realise it was a spelling test. As it’s not an English word you work it how you want and I’ll spell it how I want

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:44

Odras · 04/04/2025 23:17

They don’t seem to be moving people away from areas that they attack now. I mean they weren’t consistent before but they had the US wagging the finger at them before. They aren’t even pretending that they care about international law now. They have been emboldened by Trump. Sure just 6 months ago annexation of Gaza was just a fantasy. Now it is going to happen.

They are moving people and they also give warning before they attack. Is Russia doing that? Are the Congo doing that? I could go on…

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:44

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:44

They are moving people and they also give warning before they attack. Is Russia doing that? Are the Congo doing that? I could go on…

The Houthis on the other hand send no warnings like hammas don’t

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:54

Mylegishangingoff · 04/04/2025 23:20

Is there another army in the world that blocks all aid for over a month? What's Israels intention blocking children from having cancer treatment, medication for diabetes or other life threatening conditions? If they don't want these children to die what are they doing to help them, they know they can't survive without medication. You can't block medical care and then pretend that the intentional isn't to kill people, what other intention could there be?

Remember the outrage at an ambulance being blocked by those eco campaigners in the UK? One ambulance generated 1000s and 1000s of outraged comments online and off. People wanted the perpetrators locked up for life. Israel are purposefully blocking 10s of 1000s of people from receiving any treatment at all and you are here talking them up and telling people to look elsewhere. What happened to you?

What happened to me? That’s my story

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/04/2025 00:33

cindyhove · 04/04/2025 23:44

They are moving people and they also give warning before they attack. Is Russia doing that? Are the Congo doing that? I could go on…

They are forcing the Death March of Palestinians from one lethal and dangerous place to another lethal and dangerous place so they can blame deaths on something other than bombs and bullets. Injury, disease, lack of food and healthcare.

It's still ethnic cleansing. It's still a Death March.

TempestTost · 05/04/2025 00:38

Sorkh · 03/04/2025 23:06

I agree the war has to end but I wish people would stop calling it a genocide. It's just not. There are actual genocides happening in the world right now and they have no media coverage and no threads on message boards talking about them. Why is that do you think? Throwing around words like " apartheid" and "genocide" helps no one.

Where are the marches calling for Hamas surrender? ( I mean apart from in Gaza now where a few brave people have started to call for their demise) All the marches in the west are full of pampered students with masks on their faces who would soon change their minds if they had to live in Gaza. Shouldn't Gazans be allowed to have a democratic government like they have?

There is a huge propaganda machine behind Hamas which has been very successful. The more dead bodies the better. There has been so many staged videos on tiktok which seems to be taken as truth. I'm not denying there is suffering there and conditions are awful. They are. But Israel has to defend it's citizens. Life is valued in Israel. Hence the really unequal prisoner/ hostage swops. Iron dome etc. Hamas ( and unfortunately a proportion of Palestinian society) don't value life. They value death....raising your children to think their greatest achievement is to become a " martyr" is child abuse. No child should be brought up like that.

Yeah, I have to agree. I think the only way forward for Palestinians would be to destroy Hamas.