To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

[BotanicalCake]

We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

You agree that Israel value life when they have killed more children than all other conflicts in the world combined in the last 4 years? You agree that Israel value life when they are preventing life saving medical care from reaching Gaza? You agree Israel value life when in 2023 prior to Oct 7 they had already killed 10s of Palestinian children the youngest just a toddler along with 100s of adults? If that's what 'valuing life' looks like to you I have to wonder if you think there is any value in Palestinian lives at all because to agree that denying life saving aid and burning children to death as they shelter in tents is what 'valuing life' looks like is shocking.

What exactly do you think would happen if Hamas didn't exist? Israels military occupation of Gaza precedes Hamas. It existed before why would it not exist after especially when Netanyahu is so anti a two state solution and so pro colonisation that he quit in disgust when Israelis were paid to leave their settlements Gaza in 2005.

Palestinians live in the West Bank too, what would getting rid of Hamas do for those Palestinians? Would they all live happily ever after, would they get their homes and land back from the Israeli settlers? Would the daily violent attacks from Israeli settlers against Palestinians stop? Would their children stop getting shot at and carted off to administrative detention to be kept without charge and abused?

I'd love to hear how exactly you think Palestinians destroying Hamas would solve these issues? I know there's a lot of questions there so you can start with the West Bank, what would life look like for Palestinians in the West Bank if Hamas were destroyed?

You think that will save Palestinians? Or Israelis???🤯

Israel asked Palestinians to move and then bombed the 'safe place' they asked them to move to.

They bombed the camps and shelters Palestinians had built as temporary shelter.

They bombed the convoys of people leaving their homes to try and protect themselves.

They bombed the hospitals Palestinians were taken to get treatment. They bombed the ambulances and killed the paramedics trying to save people.

They bombed the universities and schools to stop any kind of normal life.

They razed Gaza to the ground.

I can't imagine what kind of person would attempt to justify any of this.

On the 7th October there was a cease fire. On the 8th of October Hamas terrorists put Go Pros on and went out to rape and murder Jewish women, children and men. They strangled babies to death that they were holding hostage. They had planned this carefully.

When they finally were forced to start releasing hostages they made them walk through a baying mob of terrorists screaming abuse at them. They made them thank their rapist captors and gave them gift bags as they were leaving.

When they surrender, unconditionally, and release any remaining dead bodies and live hostages then the war that they chose to start and carefully planned to slaughter civilians in will be over.

In no other circumstances would the people who were savagely raped and murdered during a cease fire, who had a war started against them, be told to lay down their arms and trust the people who raped, murdered and slaughtered them out of the blue and filmed it on Go Pros.

I am reporting this thread for anti semitic hate speech.

Criticising Israel is not antisemitic hate speech. It is really concerning when people throw around claims of antisemitism for criticising the Israeli government for committing genocide. It undermines efforts to fight real antisemitism and is not fair to the brave Jewish people speaking out against Israel or those experiencing real antisemitism. Is the International Court of Justice antisemitic too in your eyes?

It is also mind boggling that you would attempt to justify terrorist acts with mass murder of innocent Palestinians (yes, children and babies too) who have no say and have endured 60 years of having their land taken and citizens targeted. The dehumanization is becoming normalised.

I am reporting you over and over for anti semitic hate speech. You are blaming the people whose women, children and men were raped and murdered in a war they did not start for not laying down their arms to the horrific, montrous rapist murderer terrorists who started the war.

I am going to report every single comment you have made. Never speak at me again. You make my skin crawl.

@mumsnet The person who started this thread is an anti semite. They are trying to minimise Hamas terrorists putting on go pros to go out and deliberately rape and murder children, women and men during a cease fire. Hamas terrorists started a war and obviously must surrender unconditionally and release any further living or dead hostages they still have and that is the only possible way for the war to stop.

Only a violently anti semitic hateful person would dream of telling Jewish people to lay down their arms to terrorists who assaulted them in a long planned horrifying murderous war out of the blue, who murdered and raped people attending a music concert and strangled babies who were hostages.

The realiities of what Hamas did are well reported. No other country or race has EVER been told to surrender to the terrorists who started a war by raping and slaughtering their women and children.

This thread is filled with anti Jewish hate speech and should be taken down.

I'm not justifying the actions of Hamas. I am saying you cannot kill 50,000+ normal citizens and take over a whole land in 'retaliation' for it. As for Israel not starting this war, please do educate yourself on the Nakba and the history of the Israel Palestine conflict from 1948 where Palestinians lost their land.

Report away. It will not negate the truth of what is happening or the moral duty to keep on speaking out.

Turn off the TV and get a hobby. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do, we can’t even get the government to agree on the definition of a woman, do you really think the world leaders are going to give up their war because it’s distressing for viewers? Stop being the audience, it destroys your mental health and achieves zero

Reported for anti semitic hate speech.

Reported for anti semitic hate speech.

Criticising Israel's actions is not anti semitic.

No no no no no let’s not even get my started on that.
death marches were real things for Jews (and others) on the way to auschwitz and the rest of the death camps. How dare you compare?

Palestine is a Muslim land? The truth is, the name was invented by the Romans over 2,000 years ago to erase Judea and break the connection between Jews and their homeland. For centuries, everyone understood that "Palestine" referred to the Jewish land—until the 20th century, when the term was politically weaponized against Israel.

yes it very much is when the action criticised is Jewish people daring to fucking fight back after vicious degraded monstrous terrorists raped and murdered their CHILDREN.

On 7th October there was a ceasefire. On 8th October, after long term planning, violent, degraded filth strapped go pros to themselves to film themselves slaughtering, raping and murdering women and children and men at a music festival. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE AT WAR.

When Hamas, the degraded monstrous terrorists who took babies hostage and then strangled them to death, who forced their captives to leave through a seething crowd of hateful terrorists, who forced their captives to thank their rapist captors for presents they gave them when leaving, when Hamas surrender completely unconditionally and give back the murdered bodies of the hostages they kidnapped then and only then will the war end.

To demand that Jewish people submit to the vicious degraded monstrous murderous filth that started a war against them out of nowhere is very much anti semitic and ONLY a Jew hater would demand that.

But you already know that.

I believe Hamas are utterly evil.

At the same time when I look at the evidence I see ethnic cleansing and I do believe we are watching a genocide unfold.I am deeply ashamed the UK have supported the Israeli govt. we should have suspended all arms sales by now.

What like the many many Palestinians that live in Israel?

Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation, what bewilders me is that anyone accepts their propaganda figures.

Especially after they raped women. Beheaded babies. Shot and burned unarmed civilians during their barbaric attack. Not forgetting those who have been kidnapped and abused. A bunch of murdering abusers are hardly likely to provide factual info.

The Palestinians that have died in Gaza have died because Hamas started and continue this war.

If someone came to the UK and wiped out a significant percentage of the population in the same fashion that Hamas attacked Jewish people, we would retaliate and Israel are well within their rights to do so.

Only Hamas are to blame for this particular conflict, oh and the people that thought it was a good idea to vote for a fundamentalist organisation back in 2006.

Let’s face it both sides are wrong. Both sides enjoy the killing.
Do you think me holding a protest would have the slightest effect on how either side behaves? Dream on.
All power corrupts. Remember that. There is a reason this quote has remained with me.
This isn’t to say that decent people oppose what is happening. They simply have zero power to stop it.

Nope. You see Jewish people defending themselves in a war they did not start against filthy rapist murderous terrorist scum.

When Hamas surrender unconditionally and release the bodies of the tortured hostages and any who may still be alive, then the war will end.

Until then absolutely NOBODY gets to judge Jewish people for not bending the knee to loathesome filthy rapist murderous terrorist scum who strapped on go pros and went out to film themselves raping women to death.

Literally. There is footage of one of the filthy Hamas murderers stabbing a woman to death while he rapes her. They burned and strangled babies.

So. No. Hamas will unconditionally surrender and hand back the bodies of their hostages. At that point, Isreael will no longer have to defend themselves in the war that Hamas started.

And after that, if the Jewish people do not then stop fighting the war that Hamas started, then and only then will any criticism of the Jewish people be warranted.

If you start a war by raping beating murdering innocent civilians you don't get to snivel because the people you attacked dare to defend themselves.

@Ohdearieme2025

Netanyahu has clearly stated handing back the hostages will not stop the war. Why do you think this is?
How many more Palestinian children are shot in the head/ have limbs amputated / become orphans after this event before you think it's appropriate to criticise israel?

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
International Holocaust Foundation
Would you criticise France or New Zealand for tying up and shooting aid workers at close range and burying them and their ambulances?

The British-Jewish philosopher Brian Klug warned “When antisemitism is everywhere, it is nowhere.”

Antisemitism is hateful, it is wrong in all its forms and has no place in our society.
However using it to silence a thread like this that is not anti semitic merely critical of the atrocities committed by a nation is diluting the meaning so that when it does occur (on here or in real life) the term becomes redundant and weaponised by the far right and lowlifes who will harass and attack Jewish people just for being Jewish.

Israel has a right to exist it does not have a right to murder and massacre innocent civilians. You can unequivocally condemn Hamas and the actions of October 7th and also condemn the IDF's actions in the 18 months after.

And the treatment of Palestinians before? Or does that not matter?

I don't condone or excuse the actions of Hamas or the atrocities they committed. However you seem to at the very least condone the ongoing mass murder of innocent civilians that the Israeli government is responsible for.

Especially after they raped women. Beheaded babies. Shot and burned unarmed civilians during their barbaric attack. Not forgetting those who have been kidnapped and abused. A bunch of murdering abusers are hardly likely to provide factual info.

The Palestinians that have died in Gaza have died because Hamas started and continue this war.
@Panterusblackish

What babies were beheaded? Just while we are on the subject of factual information. I presume you are not referring to the lie of the 40 babies beheaded that was most certainly not factual information.

Nice but of minimizing Palestinian suffering though (that they have died- brutally murdered in reality)

@Ohdearieme2025
Not Jewish people. Israelis. Get clear on that Israelis. And not all Israelis at that.

I would never ever pardon what Hamas did on the 7th. There is footage of them murdering innocent. But there is no footage of what you speak. It’s literally does not exist. The same way the 40 beheaded babies does not exist.

The Israeli government are yet to comment on their use of friendly fire which cost many many lives. They have yet to comment on enacting a code which tells them to kill any Israelis being hostage.

Either way, the killing of innocent children is not the answer. The footage of those preemie babies left on their own to die when that hospital in north Gaza was evacuated was amongst cruelest of things that I’ve ever witnessed in my life. That footage exists.

So does the footage of a Palestinian man raped with a metal rod by a reservists IDF in a room of prisoners until his bowels were perforated and he later bled to death. That footage exists. The rapist was on a game show a week later. That footage exists.

This is not defence.
You are brainwashed. WAKE UP.

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