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Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/12/2024 10:43

If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

The photo is washed in grey from dust in the air. One man in a cap and face mask bends down, looking into a pile of rubble

Israel orders evacuation of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, medics say - BBC News

The hospital's nursing director says ICU patients in comas and on ventilation machines are being forced out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

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Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:17

Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 08:52

Oh for goodness sakes, tunnels under Gaza is not a new revelation. The IDF 'uncovering' tunnels is not proof of anything. And it by no means justifes bombing and destroying hospitals which only increases the collective punishment of the Gazans as a whole.

No one said it did. Someone asked for proof again.

Lalaloveya · 08/01/2025 10:19

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:17

No one said it did. Someone asked for proof again.

Proof of Hamas having a command centre. A previous poster said the evidence existed, they just didn't feel like posting it. I commented on that.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 10:21

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:17

No one said it did. Someone asked for proof again.

I don't see any proof of a Hamas HQ.

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Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:21

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 08:42

Classified Israeli intelligence documents

that to me means it can be unbiased and to take it with a pinch of salt.

Are you saying that the tunnel shown in the article, that has been mapped and pictured should be taken with 'a pinch of salt' they have been verified. Its clear that they are there even though people deny them. How much they are now used is not proven though, unless someone knows otherwise. It might have been easier to block.them up so that hamas couldn't use them , that would make sense imo

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:26

Lalaloveya · 08/01/2025 10:19

Proof of Hamas having a command centre. A previous poster said the evidence existed, they just didn't feel like posting it. I commented on that.

What is a command centre in guerilla warfare?

"As modern guerrilla leaders have discovered, undue expansion may result in security failures and in partial loss of control, as has been the case in Northern Ireland, Colombia, and Palestine. Urban guerrilla units for the most part have remained small and more tightly organized in a cellular structure that, from a security standpoint, has proved valid over the decades—as is witnessed by the September 11 suicide attacks by al-Qaeda."

Small group, moves around, little infrastructure, communication by pager or phone, move equipment with you, you don't need a huge amount of equipment to coordinate attacks! The bigger they are the easier to destroy. Guerilla warfare is notoriously difficult to fight.

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 10:28

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:21

Are you saying that the tunnel shown in the article, that has been mapped and pictured should be taken with 'a pinch of salt' they have been verified. Its clear that they are there even though people deny them. How much they are now used is not proven though, unless someone knows otherwise. It might have been easier to block.them up so that hamas couldn't use them , that would make sense imo

What im saying that anything from Israel is unbiased. Allow independent organisations in Gaza so they can verify what is really happening and whether there is enough reason to request to empty hospitals. There is not enough reason to torture and kill any doctors or nursery or patients

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:29

Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 10:21

I don't see any proof of a Hamas HQ.

They don't have a massive GCHQ they are terrorists that move around and fight using guerrilla warfare tactics. Small cells or groups, quick moving, like in Afghanistan. Very challenging to defeat, probably impossible.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 10:30

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:21

Are you saying that the tunnel shown in the article, that has been mapped and pictured should be taken with 'a pinch of salt' they have been verified. Its clear that they are there even though people deny them. How much they are now used is not proven though, unless someone knows otherwise. It might have been easier to block.them up so that hamas couldn't use them , that would make sense imo

Is that in reference to the bunke that the former Israeli PM disclosed that Israel built under al shifa hospital?

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Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 10:33

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:29

They don't have a massive GCHQ they are terrorists that move around and fight using guerrilla warfare tactics. Small cells or groups, quick moving, like in Afghanistan. Very challenging to defeat, probably impossible.

Well that's where you are wrong. The IDF showed CGI images of a proper HQ under al-shifa and used that to justify the bombing, attacking and invading of it. The article you posted actually pointed that out and said critics have rightly said the IDF have shown no proof of most of what they claimed.

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ScrollingLeaves · 08/01/2025 11:09

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 10:29

They don't have a massive GCHQ they are terrorists that move around and fight using guerrilla warfare tactics. Small cells or groups, quick moving, like in Afghanistan. Very challenging to defeat, probably impossible.

But the IDF made a graphic claiming they did have a very large GCHQ underneath Al-Shifa hospital, that looked almost James Bond-like.

The IDF also has used the description, “Command and control centre” about many if not all places in Gaza they have bombed with a lot of civilians involved.

Maybe they don’t understand the connotations that “Command and Control Centre“ has in English, and really mean ”containing a pod of guerilla fighters” or “a squad of guerilla fighters”. It made them lose credibility imo.

So too do the accounts from IDF soldiers themselves reporting on how almost anyone they kill will be called a terrorist even when that is not warranted. Or the accounts from visiting doctors of children killed by snipers.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 11:10

ScrollingLeaves · 08/01/2025 11:09

But the IDF made a graphic claiming they did have a very large GCHQ underneath Al-Shifa hospital, that looked almost James Bond-like.

The IDF also has used the description, “Command and control centre” about many if not all places in Gaza they have bombed with a lot of civilians involved.

Maybe they don’t understand the connotations that “Command and Control Centre“ has in English, and really mean ”containing a pod of guerilla fighters” or “a squad of guerilla fighters”. It made them lose credibility imo.

So too do the accounts from IDF soldiers themselves reporting on how almost anyone they kill will be called a terrorist even when that is not warranted. Or the accounts from visiting doctors of children killed by snipers.

I agree on many points.

However I was explaining what a guerilla command centre might appear like.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 11:14

Meanwhile in Al Jazerra now they confirm that gangs are looting aid getting in. There are many in Gaza, the gangs, the terrorists who really don't care at all about their people. It's breaking point and a real shame but not a surprise that the gangs and terrorists don't really have the interest of the people they live along side at all.

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 12:25

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 11:14

Meanwhile in Al Jazerra now they confirm that gangs are looting aid getting in. There are many in Gaza, the gangs, the terrorists who really don't care at all about their people. It's breaking point and a real shame but not a surprise that the gangs and terrorists don't really have the interest of the people they live along side at all.

Gangs
terrorists
idf
Israel government

dont care about Palestinians and hostages

Dulra · 08/01/2025 13:55

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 12:25

Gangs
terrorists
idf
Israel government

dont care about Palestinians and hostages

Yes, and due to the break down in law and order. Every country has criminals and criminal gangs without law and order they can get on with it. Society has completely broken down unsure why people would be surprised by this.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 16:29

Dulra · 08/01/2025 13:55

Yes, and due to the break down in law and order. Every country has criminals and criminal gangs without law and order they can get on with it. Society has completely broken down unsure why people would be surprised by this.

They don't care about their own. True. Is it any surprise therefore that people in their own countries with their own problems just get on with their own lives. There are often questions of why the world does nothing. It's difficult to see what can be done whilst hostages are held and terrorists still 'run' their own country into the ground. Billions sent from many countries for many years but having a terrorist organisation in charge is the root of the problems. A ceasefire with a neutral government would be great but whilst hamas still operate that looks unlikely.

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 16:32

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 16:29

They don't care about their own. True. Is it any surprise therefore that people in their own countries with their own problems just get on with their own lives. There are often questions of why the world does nothing. It's difficult to see what can be done whilst hostages are held and terrorists still 'run' their own country into the ground. Billions sent from many countries for many years but having a terrorist organisation in charge is the root of the problems. A ceasefire with a neutral government would be great but whilst hamas still operate that looks unlikely.

A ceasefire with a neutral government would be great but whilst hamas and Netanhayu still operate that looks unlikely.

Lalaloveya · 08/01/2025 17:36

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 16:29

They don't care about their own. True. Is it any surprise therefore that people in their own countries with their own problems just get on with their own lives. There are often questions of why the world does nothing. It's difficult to see what can be done whilst hostages are held and terrorists still 'run' their own country into the ground. Billions sent from many countries for many years but having a terrorist organisation in charge is the root of the problems. A ceasefire with a neutral government would be great but whilst hamas still operate that looks unlikely.

You don't think the occupation of the entire territory might be the root of the problem, no?

SharonEllis · 08/01/2025 17:37

Lalaloveya · 08/01/2025 17:36

You don't think the occupation of the entire territory might be the root of the problem, no?

What do you mean by the entire territory?

ScrollingLeaves · 08/01/2025 20:32

Dulra · 08/01/2025 13:55

Yes, and due to the break down in law and order. Every country has criminals and criminal gangs without law and order they can get on with it. Society has completely broken down unsure why people would be surprised by this.

There black markets all over Europe during and after the war.
Think of the film “The Third Man”.

The writer Anthony Burgess’s wife was raped during a blackout in London when she was three months pregnant by three American soldiers.

The examples must be endless.

Gaza must be hell on earth.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 08/01/2025 21:48

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Israel was not occupying Gaza when Hamas chose to attack Israel on 7 October. Its completely implausible that only Israel is at fault when a corrupt, dictatorial terrorist organisation has been in control of Gaza for so long.

EasterIssland · 08/01/2025 23:07

SharonEllis · 08/01/2025 22:47

Israel was not occupying Gaza when Hamas chose to attack Israel on 7 October. Its completely implausible that only Israel is at fault when a corrupt, dictatorial terrorist organisation has been in control of Gaza for so long.

Israel was not occupying Gaza. However, it was restricting what was going in and out of Gaza and who was allowed in and out. Has also killed thousands of innocent civilians since they left Gaza.

Also, note how the poster doesn’t say Gaza but Palestine. Israel has occupied and continues occupying Palestine and imposing restrictions.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/01/2025 23:17

SharonEllis · 08/01/2025 22:47

Israel was not occupying Gaza when Hamas chose to attack Israel on 7 October. Its completely implausible that only Israel is at fault when a corrupt, dictatorial terrorist organisation has been in control of Gaza for so long.

The UK government considered and still considers Gaza as Israeli occupied territory.

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SharonEllis · 09/01/2025 05:51

She was,absolutely clear 'Israeli occupation is the root of all of Palestine's problems' which absolves Hamas the PA and indeed all Palestinians of any responsibility for the situation, as if they were all 10 year olds. Its clearly nonsense.