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Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/12/2024 10:43

If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

The photo is washed in grey from dust in the air. One man in a cap and face mask bends down, looking into a pile of rubble

Israel orders evacuation of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, medics say - BBC News

The hospital's nursing director says ICU patients in comas and on ventilation machines are being forced out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

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Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 15:02

There are just words. Actions speak louder.
Meanwhile, Israel has just been sent 8 billions worth of arms shipment from the good old USA.
This tells you everything you need to know.
I am disgusted.

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

EasterIssland · 05/01/2025 15:25

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

They can send as much money they want to Palestine if they keep sending arms/parts of weapons to Israel that are used to kill innocent civilians the war will never end. It’d be best if they stop sending arms initially

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 16:14

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

Thank you @Aibuquestiononrelationship
Its good to know about the money being sent to UNWRA for urgently needed medical care

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 16:54

EasterIssland · 05/01/2025 15:25

They can send as much money they want to Palestine if they keep sending arms/parts of weapons to Israel that are used to kill innocent civilians the war will never end. It’d be best if they stop sending arms initially

Let's not forget that aid is not allowed to go through or, if allowed , it isn't near enough.
I agree with you that the only way to stop this is to stop selling arms to Israel and impose sanctions.

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 17:07

Indeed. The UK also went along with Israeli efforts to destroy UNWRA last year by halting funding for six or seven months.

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Dulra · 05/01/2025 18:56

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Don't think anyone felt that Hamas are not part of the problem.

Lawlessness has also become an issue with the distribution of aid and it is another threat to the safety of civilians as Hamas loses its grip. The lack of aid for over 12 months leads to lawlessness and desperation and a breakdown of society. Gaza is hell on earth.

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 19:04

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

It's Israels responsibility to make sure that aid reaches civillians in territory that they choose to occupy.

Ukraine for instance are making sure that they give aid to the civillians in the Kursk region because they recognise that that is their responsibility under International law. If you choose to occupy then you have to follow through on your obligations to the civillians in those areas. There is no 'but Hamas 😭', Israel are occupying Gaza so the buck stops with them.

Of course Hamas are part of the problem but Israel choose to occupy the same place that Hamas terrorists live so Israel have to deal with that whilst looking after the civillians. Civillians starving and babies freezing to death isn't okay and Israel need to start taking their responsibility as occupiers seriously. Like Zelenskyy said Ukraine are 'behaving like humans' and that means humanitarian needs in occupied areas must be met.

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:05

I saw footage on the news just now of what looked like thousands of Gazans desperately jostling trying to access food from a soup kitchen. It was really upsetting to see.

Of course there's a black market and terrible things are happening. This is what happens when a large population is subjected to genocide and their society is destroyed.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:33

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:05

I saw footage on the news just now of what looked like thousands of Gazans desperately jostling trying to access food from a soup kitchen. It was really upsetting to see.

Of course there's a black market and terrible things are happening. This is what happens when a large population is subjected to genocide and their society is destroyed.

@Lalaloveya What do you think should be done to prevent Hamas stealing the aid intended for Palestinian citizens? Have you any thoughts?

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:36

Dulra · 05/01/2025 18:56

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Don't think anyone felt that Hamas are not part of the problem.

Lawlessness has also become an issue with the distribution of aid and it is another threat to the safety of civilians as Hamas loses its grip. The lack of aid for over 12 months leads to lawlessness and desperation and a breakdown of society. Gaza is hell on earth.

Yes - it’s one of the difficulties - how to make sure aid intended for civilians doesn’t end up with Hamas

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:36

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:33

@Lalaloveya What do you think should be done to prevent Hamas stealing the aid intended for Palestinian citizens? Have you any thoughts?

Given that the entire society has broken down, millions are homeless, there's no healthcare, education or law and order any more I have no idea.

That was my point.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:41

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 19:04

It's Israels responsibility to make sure that aid reaches civillians in territory that they choose to occupy.

Ukraine for instance are making sure that they give aid to the civillians in the Kursk region because they recognise that that is their responsibility under International law. If you choose to occupy then you have to follow through on your obligations to the civillians in those areas. There is no 'but Hamas 😭', Israel are occupying Gaza so the buck stops with them.

Of course Hamas are part of the problem but Israel choose to occupy the same place that Hamas terrorists live so Israel have to deal with that whilst looking after the civillians. Civillians starving and babies freezing to death isn't okay and Israel need to start taking their responsibility as occupiers seriously. Like Zelenskyy said Ukraine are 'behaving like humans' and that means humanitarian needs in occupied areas must be met.

This is a very unreasonable post .
You seem to be blaming Israel for providing aid but not ensuring that Hamas doesn’t get hold of it. Yet you also deplore the way Israel is hunting down Hamas members in Gaza.
Gaza is not like Ukraine or Russia . There is no equivalent of Hamas hiding within the general population .

Also - The use of an emoji in your phrase “there is no 'but Hamas 😭', is crass

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:45

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:36

Given that the entire society has broken down, millions are homeless, there's no healthcare, education or law and order any more I have no idea.

That was my point.

Nor me . I think there should be a ceasefire.
But I do think it’s rich that posters are blaming Israel for letting Hamas steal aid from Palestinians

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 19:48

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:41

This is a very unreasonable post .
You seem to be blaming Israel for providing aid but not ensuring that Hamas doesn’t get hold of it. Yet you also deplore the way Israel is hunting down Hamas members in Gaza.
Gaza is not like Ukraine or Russia . There is no equivalent of Hamas hiding within the general population .

Also - The use of an emoji in your phrase “there is no 'but Hamas 😭', is crass

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My post is true. It is Israels responsibility to make sure aid reaches civillians. It just is. That is the law. What is unreasonable is Israel allowing small babies to freeze to death, allowing children to go hungry, allowing the humanitarian situation to get so bad that there has been a complete break down of society. Israel were warned right from the beginning that this would happen if they conducted this conflict this way. All kinds of aid organisations told them what would happen and Israel accused them all of being antisemitic, tried to shut them down, tried to stop funding, allowed Israelis to trash aid convoys and in some cases bombed aid convoys. That is what is crass and unreasonable not me highlighting their responsibilities under international law.

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:52

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:45

Nor me . I think there should be a ceasefire.
But I do think it’s rich that posters are blaming Israel for letting Hamas steal aid from Palestinians

I think you're missing the point.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:55

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 19:48

My post is true. It is Israels responsibility to make sure aid reaches civillians. It just is. That is the law. What is unreasonable is Israel allowing small babies to freeze to death, allowing children to go hungry, allowing the humanitarian situation to get so bad that there has been a complete break down of society. Israel were warned right from the beginning that this would happen if they conducted this conflict this way. All kinds of aid organisations told them what would happen and Israel accused them all of being antisemitic, tried to shut them down, tried to stop funding, allowed Israelis to trash aid convoys and in some cases bombed aid convoys. That is what is crass and unreasonable not me highlighting their responsibilities under international law.

So Hamas ( the elected government of Gaza) stealing aid from Palestinians is Israel’s fault?
Maybe Israel is not doing enough to get rid of Hamas - Is that your point?

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 20:00

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:52

I think you're missing the point.

I’m horrified that aid is not getting through to Palestinian citizens who are in desperate need.

I certainly blame Israel for some of the conduct in this war .
I don’t blame Israel for the fact that Hamas takes aid meant for Palestinians
What am I missing?

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 20:00

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 19:55

So Hamas ( the elected government of Gaza) stealing aid from Palestinians is Israel’s fault?
Maybe Israel is not doing enough to get rid of Hamas - Is that your point?

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Israel need to make sure aid reaches civillians. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It isn't Israels fault that Hamas steals aid, it is Israels responsibility to either stop it or mitigate it. It doesn't matter who elected Hamas 20 years ago, so long as Israel choose(nobody has been forcing them to do it remember, in fact people have been begging them to stop) to occupy Gaza the people under their occupation are their responsibility. Why do you think Israel should get a free pass and be allowed to have babies that are born under their occupation freeze to death?

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 20:06

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 20:00

I’m horrified that aid is not getting through to Palestinian citizens who are in desperate need.

I certainly blame Israel for some of the conduct in this war .
I don’t blame Israel for the fact that Hamas takes aid meant for Palestinians
What am I missing?

What do you think would have happened if Israel would have let the rows and rows of aid trucks that were parked up along the border ready to deliver aid into Gaza? If they let a steady stream of 100s of trucks into Gaza every day with more than enough food, water, medicine, sanitary supplies, warm clothes, proper tents etc? Do you not think that Israel restricting aid for months and months and months has contributed to this? Israel could flood Gaza with aid, aid agencies would help tomorrow, they could flood it with more than enough for everybody, take away it's immense value, take away people's fear that they are going to die of starvation. It wouldn't cost Israel a penny. They choose not to do it.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 20:09

You said “It's Israels responsibility to make sure that aid reaches civillians in territory that they choose to occupy.”
and “There is no 'but Hamas 😭', Israel are occupying Gaza so the buck stops with them.”

You then said
“Why is this so difficult for you to understand? “

It’s difficult for me to understand because (much as you say Israel occupies Gaza) Hamas is/ was the government of Gaza and is holding Israeli hostages in Gaza. If you blame Israelis for Hamas stealing aid from Palestinians you must also hold Israeli responsible for the Israeli hostages as they held are in occupied Gaza ( occupied by Israelis who by your account are in charge)

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 20:11

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And you would say the same about the hostages? Israel’s responsibility to stop or mitigate it ?
The problem with that line of thinking is it takes the blame’s away from where it rightfully lies.
A thief / a rapist/ a murderer commits a crime….but the mitigation is that the victim didn’t take enough action to “stop or mitigate it” …

In some respects you’re right - the families of hostages will want answers about how 7/10 could have happened. However the way you frame this is wrong,

Put the blame where it lies. Hamas has caused untold suffering for Palestinians. Not everything is Israel’s fault.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 20:18

I can't remember who said this but "Civilisation is just a thin veneer between civility and civil breakdown".
The Israeli government has removed/destroyed/ controlled the elementary staples of organised, civilised life such as food, shelter, medicine drinkable water, personal security and what do you get? Survival of the fittest. In Gaza, it is Hamas because they are armed.
Am I surprised by this? No.
So yes, the Israeli government is responsible for creating this situation.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 20:19

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“You are right though, you do seem to be having serious difficulties with understanding.”

Ha! You go low @BadgerInDungarees
Ill go high