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SpiritAdder · 15/10/2024 17:26

Martymcfly24 · 15/10/2024 17:23

It is significant though in that it demonstrates a departure from the US Policy of supporting Israel with no conditions. Hopefully this will continue.

Just like the red line of don’t go into Rafah? And all the other conditions that were just hot air.

Martymcfly24 · 15/10/2024 17:46

SpiritAdder · 15/10/2024 17:26

Just like the red line of don’t go into Rafah? And all the other conditions that were just hot air.

Too true..
I am just being stupidly optimistic in the midst of the despair.

And it probably is a vote pulling tactic. I wonder how the "Irish American" president Biden will react if Ireland enact the Occupied Territories Bill.

SpiritAdder · 15/10/2024 17:49

Martymcfly24 · 15/10/2024 17:46

Too true..
I am just being stupidly optimistic in the midst of the despair.

And it probably is a vote pulling tactic. I wonder how the "Irish American" president Biden will react if Ireland enact the Occupied Territories Bill.

It’s ok, I am trying to be optimistic too, but tbh I have written Biden off.

Martymcfly24 · 15/10/2024 17:51

SpiritAdder · 15/10/2024 17:49

It’s ok, I am trying to be optimistic too, but tbh I have written Biden off.

Completely he has been the biggest disappointment of a president. Completely ineffectual.

Lettherebejustice · 15/10/2024 18:20

SpiritAdder · 15/10/2024 17:25

Honestly, the words and more words from Biden are imho purely to cover his ass to the genocide case at the ICJ to point at and say he isn’t complicit in genocide because he told Israel’s government over and over follow the law, don’t bomb civilians, let in aid. It’s just imho smoke and mirrors for the actions of Biden’s administration which is one of full, unquestioned support.

Oh, and probably to get Harris votes.

I agree with you too. He is simply doing the bare minimum and issuing empty threats that everyone knows he will not carry out, simply to cover his own back.

What it does show is that the actions of the IDF have reached such a low that it has even forced the US to react to it, whether the concern is genuine or not is certainly questionable.

If this tactic is to gain votes then it will be a failed strategy. Voters who are watching the genocide unfolding in the north of Gaza will be furious that this is the best they could muster in order to prevent it.

Dulra · 15/10/2024 18:42

The Democrats are not going to make any major policy changes this close to an election and Netanyahu knows it.

anotherlevel · 15/10/2024 21:38

I'm glad his twitch account was banned. What an awful disgusting thing to say.

x.com/HasanabiProd/status/1845889127629176966

ScrollingLeaves · 15/10/2024 22:42

anotherlevel · 15/10/2024 21:38

I'm glad his twitch account was banned. What an awful disgusting thing to say.

x.com/HasanabiProd/status/1845889127629176966

The irony of saying that about the Palestinians and thinking they are from an inferior culture!

Lettherebejustice · 16/10/2024 13:27

The UK alongside Algeria and I think it is France has called an emergency UN meeting to address the worsening conditions in Gaza that have been imposed by Israel. Not sure how much difference it will make

Lettherebejustice · 16/10/2024 13:29

Keir Starmer has said that the current government is also considering sanctioning Ben Gvir and Smotrich. I think they have made these considerations public after Cameron exposing that he was also going to do the same.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2024 14:02

Thank you. Am I right in understanding that the soldiers are somehow getting a message ( the Eiland plan) but the commanders are denying they are sending it?

Trigger Warning:
I scrolled down the article and saw an earlier one about the Israeli strike on the hospital tents. There is a photo of Shabin burning alive while on a drip in the hospital tent. What unimaginable hell.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2024 14:17

Lettherebejustice · 16/10/2024 13:29

Keir Starmer has said that the current government is also considering sanctioning Ben Gvir and Smotrich. I think they have made these considerations public after Cameron exposing that he was also going to do the same.

Cameron had apparently been getting everything in place for this and had been ready and waiting.

On the news Starmer said they are ‘looking into it’.

Also MP John McDonnell spoke in Parliament the other day about repeated plans for rescuing children from Gaza for treatment in the U.K. being ignored even though medics have agreed. What’s going on?
Read below:
“I want to raise again the issue of the evacuation of seriously injured children from Gaza. When the Ukraine war started, we very rapidly put in place a mechanism for the evacuation of injured children from Ukraine to hospitals here, to ensure that they had the appropriate treatment. It was a system that seemed to have worked effectively. Soon after the attack on Gaza, my friend Kate Hollern, who was the hon. Member for Blackburn, raised in this House the issue of trying to instigate a similar scheme for Palestinian children. I think she did that around November or December, but we heard nothing back. I raised the issue again on the Floor of the House with the then deputy Foreign Secretary—the right hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr Mitchell)—and we were given an assurance. I had met with the voluntary organisation Save Gaza’s Children, which is based in France, and there is also Save A Child, which was doing work at that point to evacuate children to Italy and to other countries surrounding Palestine.”

“I raised the issue again in May because we had no response. Then the general election happened so I wrote to the Prime Minister, because I felt this needed a prime ministerial push to get it through. I raised it with the Foreign Secretary because we needed to ensure that our diplomatic efforts were involved, and I wrote to the Home Secretary as well because we needed the visa arrangements put in place. I never received a response.”

“I wrote again in August to the Minister for Development, my right hon. Friend the Member for Oxford East (Anneliese Dodds), and I did receive a response. However, it was not about the evacuation but the assistance being provided to organisations hopefully working as best they could within Gaza. So I wrote again, and I have not received a second response. I am not sure what is happening in Government on this. I understand that a new Government have come in and it is difficult settling down and sorting out arrangements, but this is a matter of urgency.”

“We have had further reports this morning of another hospital being attacked, and we have also heard reports of the doctors being threatened that if they did not evacuate they would be arrested. We have even had ambulance workers arrested this morning as well. They are being forced to choose between evacuating children from intensive care, which is risky, or leaving them behind, and as a result some doctors are risking their lives.”

“We could do exactly as we have done with Ukraine, by simply establishing a system to ensure that those seriously injured children are evacuated. Clinicians are willing to assist here; in fact, I have had clinicians contact me to say, “What can we do?” and “How can we assist?” I ask the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, my hon. Friend the Member for Lincoln (Hamish Falconer), to take this and come back as a matter of urgency. Children are dying as a result and we cannot stand to one side.”
parallelparliament.co.uk/mp/john-mcdonnell/debate/2024-10-10/commons/westminster-hall/gaza-and-humanitarian-aid

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

Silence1 · 16/10/2024 15:04

More horror. It's almost unbelievable where things have got to. What people think is acceptable.

Silence1 · 16/10/2024 15:07

Total destruction ?
The writer of this article asks a question we are all asking:
" How many more lives must Israel end? How much more tragedy should my breaking heart endure? They killed the elderly, smiling guard from campus. They killed the teacher, the students and the chancellor. They bombed the buildings of my university and reduced it to rubble and ash. They left thousands of aspiring young people without a graduation. They uprooted the trees and burned the red roses that had grown tall in the students’ square."
An Ode to the Islamic University of Gaza - New Lines Magazine

An Ode to the Islamic University of Gaza

Almost a year into exile, one young woman remembers the classes that were starting to shape her, but are now lost forever

https://newlinesmag.com/first-person/an-ode-to-the-islamic-university-of-gaza/

MissyB1 · 16/10/2024 15:09

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

Yes how exactly was that "targetting terrorists"? It was obviously deliberate, They didn't want any aid planning! 😡

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2024 15:19

Silence1 · 16/10/2024 15:04

More horror. It's almost unbelievable where things have got to. What people think is acceptable.

Trigger Warning:The photograph of what happened to Shabin.

It can make you think there is no good in being a human.

itwasnevermine · 16/10/2024 15:21

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

This is disgusting, how on earth is this even remotely close to targeting terrorists

Auvergne63 · 16/10/2024 16:15

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

I just read that too. No doubt the usual excuse will that they were Hezbollah.

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 16:18

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

He was a hezbollah member or it was a mistake and we are looking into it

Lettherebejustice · 16/10/2024 18:05

Scirocco · 16/10/2024 14:50

Today, Israel bombed a government building in Nabatieh, in Lebanon, during a meeting to coordinate aid for civilians in need. They killed the Mayor of Nabatieh in that bombing.

16 people killed and 52 injured. I couldn't believe it when I read it, the IDF are a morally bankrupt army. How do people still defend their actions?

Lettherebejustice · 16/10/2024 19:03

More like fed up I think, Biden was also reported to have had a few choice words for him. I won't repeat them on here as they probably break talk guidelines.