"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

Hatespeech? Because I cited the actual casualty numbers? Zionists really are bricking themselves. SAVE THE CHILDREN: 'RAMALLAH, 4 April 2024 – Nearly 26,000 children – or just over two percent of Gaza’s child population - have been killed or injured in Gaza in six months of a war which has decimated the health system and severed access to education, Save the Children said.
Since the 7 October attacks in which 33 children were killed in Israel, more than 13,800 children have been killed in Gaza and 113 in the West Bank, and over 12,009 children have been injured in Gaza and at least 725 children in the West Bank, according to the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the Ministry of Health in Gaza. UNICEF has reported at least 1,000 children have had one or both legs amputated, and about 30 out of 36 hospitals have been bombed, leaving only 10 partially functioning.
Attacks on ambulances, medical aid convoys and access roads have decimated Gaza’s health system and undermined access to healthcare at the time when the 1.1 million children in Gaza need it most.'

Well whatever it was, MN decided your posts contravened talk guidelines.

Zionists really are bricking themselves

What's your definition of a Zionist because you have used it multiple times?

Between 2008 until October the 6th 2023 , Israel killed 1500 Palestinian children, nearly 7000 Palestinians overall. Over same time period, 321 Israelis were killed, inlcuding 21 kids. Since the conflict began, Isreal has killed over 450X more children than those murdered on October 7th by Hamas. People are entitled to know this, Mumsnet. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

@HectortheHelicopter Thank you for sharing those figures - children are suffering every day in Palestine, and it is a sad state of affairs when users of a parenting forum find it in their hearts to deny, minimise or ignore that.

My definition of a Zionist is someone who refuses Palestinians the right to an independent state & who denies them the right to return to their properties pre-Nakba. I stand with prominent Jewish antizionists like Norman Finklestein, Gideon Levy, Barnaby Raine & many, many others who denounce Israel as an apartheid state.

I agree - both sides have objectionable people and things escalate quickly in an emotional environment like this 😣

Obviously these statistics are horrific and people should know about them. But, if we stick to the thread topic, it’s important that the horror of what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t cause violence, mistrust, fear and anger for people living here. The links above demonstrate how anger and fear is being spread in communities here. That doesn’t help the people in Gaza or the hostages .

A zionist is someone who believes that the Jewish state of Israel has the right to exist. I'm sorry you find that so evil.

I don't need to say anything to prove my case. Many Israelis have already done it for me. I don't deny Hamas uses unacceptable antisemitic rhetoric, but our government isn't providing logistical & diplomatic support for them, is it? Besides, 'plausible' genocide is ultimately a worse crime than terrorism, whatever the provocation. EXCERPT: 'In some instances, Netanyahu directly called for the mass killings of the Palestinians in besieged Gaza.
In others, he used religious references to dehumanise the Palestinians, a tactic often used by fascists throughout history in order to make it easier for the people to accept the massacres being carried out against opponents.
"Gaza is the city of evil, we will turn all the places in which Hamas deploys and hides into ruins. I am telling the people of Gaza — get out of there now. We will act everywhere and with full power," Netanyahu said on October 13.
"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible," he said on October 28. Netanyahu continued: "We remember, and we are fighting … our soldiers are part of a legacy of Jewish warriors that goes back 3,000 years."
Israeli military soldiers, too, have also been caught showing genocidal intent and collective punishment ambitions in Gaza.
An example of that was an image taken by an IDF soldier of an artillery shell that had a text written on it in Hebrew: "God Willing, it will hit innocent people."
"One of the options is to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza. I pray & hope for their [hostages] return, but there is also a price in war," Amichai Eliyahu, Israeli Minister of Heritage, wrote on X.
"Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating they way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated," argued Yoav Kisch, Israeli Minister of Education.
"Bring down buildings!! Bomb without distinction!! Stop with this impotence. You have ability. There is worldwide legitimacy! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for mercy!," wished Revital Gottlieb, a member of the Israeli Knesset.' www.trtworld.com/middle-east/database-exposes-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza-16537146

My definition of a Zionist is someone who refuses Palestinians the right to an independent state & who denies them the right to return to their properties pre-Nakba.

I'm afraid that you have got it terribly wrong then, luv.

Again, insinuating things I haven't said. Why shouldn't Palestinians be allowed the right to return to their pre-Nakba lands? I don't find Israel's 'right to exist' inherently 'evil', I find the carpetbombing of 2 million people, resulting in a 100,000 maimed & slaughtered civilians over 6 months evil. That some on here seem quite indifferent or even approving of that very much embodies the 'banality of evil'.

Please explain why.

You have already been told further up the thread that a Zionist is someone who believes that the state of Israel has the right to exist.

Hector the Helicopter is a character from a children's book. Statistics beat innuendos everytime. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hector-Helicopter-Arthur-W-Baldwin/dp/0603556027

I believe the Jews have a right to a state of their own, but not on Palestinian land. Palestinians also have that right to security & selfdetermination, yes? So where should we establish their state?

It isn’t the horror of what’s happening in Gaza that is causing issues. It is our governments support for it.

It is right that we are scared of a government that can support actions like this, they already demonise and refuse to support minority groups in our own country. If we don’t speak up against it then what is next.

So what are you saying? That we should know this info but it shouldn't be shared? How does that make sense? If what is happening is the ME is, in considerable part, the result of Zionist ideology, particularly the radicalised Likud version, then those who support that ideology here should expect to be judged on that complicity, be they Jew or Gentile, black or white, rich or poor, the same way we would judge a British Muslim espousing Jihadi ideology.Or perhaps we shpould have censored reports on 9/11 out of concerns for community cohesion too?

Their username is a character from a children's book.

Thanks for showing us who you really are.

@HectortheHelicopter
@Scirocco

We see you

Your thoughts on that are irrelevant to me. We were discussing your definition of the word Zionist.

So where should we establish their state?

Where it is now and where Jewish people have had an unbroken line of occupation stretching back millennia.

So why did the Nakba happen then?