"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

What do you mean please? See what?
I do not know Hectorthehelicopter, but many people including Jews in Israel think certain Israeli government members are a terrible problem and murderous, there is no news there; and, Scirroco is always reflective, respectful, and reasonable on these threads imo.

So why did the Nakba happen then?

Ask Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.

Well, now you know. I'm not sure if you're aware, but anti-Zionism is a protected belief under British law now anyway, thanks to the landmark David Miller Vs. Bristol Uni case. It's not a criminal offence to believe or articulate that Zionism is a settler-colonial racist ideology. In fact it's discrimantion in the workplace to treat someone negatively because of their antizionism, as long as it's not antisemitically expressed. I'm not AS, I think antizionist Jews are some of the most courageous & noble folk on Earth. Personally, I think an 'Israel' should have been established in Bavaria in the aftermath of WW2 with the Germans there expelled to East Germany.That to me seems much more just than the British goverment gifting another people's territory to a third party over period 1917-48, a third party (Palestine) who had zero responsibility for the Shoah. I don't believe in the Old Testament/Torah & don't see why ancient myth should be basis for a Jewish state's location if that entails ethnic cleansing of indigenous populace. Socialist Worker: 'Anti-Zionist academic David Miller’s landmark victory at an employment tribunal against the University of Bristol should be warmly welcomed.
It strengthens pro-Palestine people at work against bullying bosses and intimidating managers.
The tribunal said Miller was unfairly and wrongfully dismissed. He successfully claimed discrimination based on his philosophical belief that Zionism is inherently racist, imperialist, and colonial.
This judgment establishes for the first time that legally anti-Zionist beliefs are protected in the workplace.'

Again...that's not what we were discussing.

We were discussing your definition of the term Zionist.

No, I'd rather ask Wikipedia: 'During the Nakba in 1948, approximately half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, or around 750,000 people,[6] were expelled from their homes or made to flee, at first by Zionist paramilitaries through various violent means, and after the establishment of the State of Israel, by the Israel Defense Forces. This occurred in the wake of dozens of massacres targeting Palestinian Arabs and the depopulation of 500 Arab-majority towns and villages,[7] with many of these being either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jews and given new Hebrew names. By the end of the war, 78% of the total land area of the former Mandatory Palestine was controlled by Israel and at least 15,000 Palestinian Arabs had been killed.'

I never once suggested it was illegal to be anti Zionist 🙄

We've has that discussion. If you have something further to add, don't be coy.

What kind of veiled threat is that? Sounds like you are annoyed your inaccurate explanation for a username was highlighted and deleted

So what do you think should happen to the current state of Israel?

Well Wikipedia knows it all 😂

Someone who knows how to put an unfamiliar term into a search engine and read the results?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hector-Helicopter-Arthur-W-Baldwin/dp/0603556027

You asked what the username referred to, and this looks the likeliest reference, as has been confirmed by the poster.

I think half the landmass of Israel/Palestine, not two disconnected territories on either side, should be bestowed to the Palestinians as well as the right to an army. UN peacekeepers, not the IDF or Hamas, should police the border for the next decade. So, yes, Israel needs to shrink. Given that many of the settlements are illegal, that shouldn't come as a surprise.

So you think Israel should continue to exist?

You sound like a zionist to me.

Is that aimed at me? What are you talking about?

That was a misquote Ategnatos, apologies.

I find the term "Zionism" terrifically confusing because it seems to have a spectrum of meanings, perhaps because it has been so misused and misappropriated. The Wiki entry has a section on "Beliefs" but this was a survey of American Jews, and settler extremists would no doubt express very different views.

Nutters will be nutters, and religion always seems to be the first excuse for psychopathic behaviour. It's a shame that banning religion altogether only has the effect of driving it underground and making people even nuttier.

I’m not sure I completely understand this. I don’t think we need to be scared of our government. I think we should be wary of causing even greater division here and stirring up mistrust and hatred. It’s happening already because there are extremists on both sides . That’s why I am uncomfortable with some aspects of the protests on both sides ( eg mask wearing, defacing hostage posters and no posters condemning Hamas on the pro Palestine side and clear elements of Tommy Robinson type rhetoric and Islamophobia on the other side)
Im not a supporter of this government but I don’t think they are “supporting” the bombing of civilians. I think it’s a tricky position politically because of the different elements ( Iran, Hamas etc) It’s possible to deplore the IDF tactics but communicate that position in more political dialogue rather than in emotive headlines. I know the scenes from Gaza are hideous- it’s hell on Earth. But excessive anger and fear on their behalf will not help them and could harm us .

Very well put.

I think you put that well, thank you.

Well - it’s true there are nutty religious people- but non religious societies ( Stalinist Russia , Mao’s China , North Korea etc ) are / were not wonderful places to live.
You get good and bad atheists and good and bad religious people imo

Those that excuse / indulge the offender have shown their true colours.

I'm not excusing or indulging anyone. I was commenting on your post, no one else's

Looks like @HectortheHelicopter blew the whistle & you all came running.
You are deluded and embarrassing yourself now.

Your tactics won't work.
What tactics?