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"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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keenforhelp · 23/05/2024 21:53

Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob

Pro-Israel protesters took to the streets to show they would not be intimidated after a cinema vowed to show a film about the Nova festival massacre.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/05/2024 13:31

Daily Mail re:
Man U Hamas 7 shirt worn on man casually walking down the street. Met police say they are looking for him.

Disgust as football fan in No 7 Manchester United top with Hamas printed on the back parades through London as police launch hunt for man

A Jewish man said he was left feeling 'shocked' and 'very offended' after spotting a football fan wearing a Manchester United shirt with the word 'Hamas' on the back, alongside the number seven, while walking through the capital.

The dark-haired man was snapped casually walking along near Oxford Circus tube station in London on Friday afternoon sporting the 'Hamas 7' Red Devils jersey.

Met Police has confirmed they are actively looking to identify the man wearing a top with 'an offensive message'.

^A Jewish man, who wishes to remain anonymous, said it looked newly-printed and feared the number, alongside the word 'Hamas', might be a reference to the October 7 attacks against Israel.
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK.^

Hamas news: Latest updates | Daily Mail Online

Hamas news: Latest updates

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/hamas/index.html

ChickyBricky · 27/05/2024 13:34

PeasfullPerson · 27/05/2024 13:00

Is there anything special about the number 7 or is that random? Everything seems to have some kind of meaning attached to it nowadays.

7 October, unfortunately 🤦🏻‍♀️

Like PPs I am anxious that none of his friends/family said "Maaate..." and that someone created this shirt, to be worn with pride. Doubt it's the only shirt of its kind.

I'd like to think I'd tackle him in the street, but in reality I wouldn't dare approach him.

ChickyBricky · 27/05/2024 13:40

quantumbutterfly · 27/05/2024 13:01

Does anyone know where this photo came from?

It's in a lot of the news today. If you do a Google image search, these are some of the reports.

I'd love to hope it's just AI fakery because I can't quite handle this level of cruelty 🤯

quantumbutterfly · 27/05/2024 13:43

On the one hand the current climate increases their bravado, on the other hand it flushes them out.

Cons and pros.

ChickyBricky · 27/05/2024 13:46

DM being what it is, I doubt very much that a Jewish man followed him and took the photos and made those waffly statements.

I'm not sure how I'd react to seeing this, especially if I were Jewish. I think I'd cry.

PeasfullPerson · 27/05/2024 13:51

ScrollingLeaves · 27/05/2024 13:19

According to the GB news clip
about it I found, it was in a newspaper.

They may check for AI these days. They may have some tools for alerting them.

Thanks for the clarification.

PeasfullPerson · 27/05/2024 13:55

ChickyBricky · 27/05/2024 13:34

7 October, unfortunately 🤦🏻‍♀️

Like PPs I am anxious that none of his friends/family said "Maaate..." and that someone created this shirt, to be worn with pride. Doubt it's the only shirt of its kind.

I'd like to think I'd tackle him in the street, but in reality I wouldn't dare approach him.

Oh! Thanks, I hadn’t made the link! I find this even more disturbing now.

He is probably hoping for trouble and to at least upset people wearing that, so I wouldn’t bother giving him the satisfaction. Best to report.

keenforhelp · 27/05/2024 14:19

ChickyBricky · 27/05/2024 13:40

It's in a lot of the news today. If you do a Google image search, these are some of the reports.

I'd love to hope it's just AI fakery because I can't quite handle this level of cruelty 🤯

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It is just so brazen.

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/05/2024 16:47

Unfortunately, on some of the comments, a number of people naively think his own name is probably ‘Hamas’, or there is a football player called ‘Hamas’.

I have checked out who the real Man United no 7 is. He is Mason Mount if this is in date.

I wonder what he or Man United would think of this link to Hamas being imposed on them by a stranger?

"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"
HectortheHelicopter · 29/05/2024 16:08

26 kids were killed on October 7th, some deplorably by Hamas, but an unspecified number probably by Israeli helicipter gunfire too. The 'beheaded babies' headline has been debunked. 15,000 children have been slaughtered by Israel over the past 6 months. The only reason to be defending Israel at this stage is because you are indifferent to or positively welcome the mass murder of brownskinned Muslims & their kids. I've been to several pro-Pali demos, one in London & several in Norwich, & the level of aggressive & threatening conduct was nothing like this: s

'Nothing to do with Far Right extremism'

The organiser of the counter protest in Finchley that attracted a lot of trouble denies that anyone from the Far Right was involved. Make up your own mind.Fu...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1s&v=jUeahIu0MZk

ChickyBricky · 29/05/2024 16:56

HectortheHelicopter · 29/05/2024 16:08

26 kids were killed on October 7th, some deplorably by Hamas, but an unspecified number probably by Israeli helicipter gunfire too. The 'beheaded babies' headline has been debunked. 15,000 children have been slaughtered by Israel over the past 6 months. The only reason to be defending Israel at this stage is because you are indifferent to or positively welcome the mass murder of brownskinned Muslims & their kids. I've been to several pro-Pali demos, one in London & several in Norwich, & the level of aggressive & threatening conduct was nothing like this: s

I love that you include "brownskinned" as though that explains everything.

Scirocco · 29/05/2024 17:56

Well, they seem like pleasant, well-adjusted individuals.

HectortheHelicopter · 29/05/2024 18:42

ChickyBricky: it explains a lot, the 'otherness' which renders Palestinian blood so cheap. But, yes, I'm quite certain many Zionists would happily kill anyone who challenges their right to steal land , including the 3 British veterans they precision targeted in April.

Comedycook · 29/05/2024 18:59

But, yes, I'm quite certain many Zionists would happily kill anyone who challenges their right to steal land

Quite certain? Righto...

79Helene · 29/05/2024 19:44

HectortheHelicopter · 29/05/2024 16:08

26 kids were killed on October 7th, some deplorably by Hamas, but an unspecified number probably by Israeli helicipter gunfire too. The 'beheaded babies' headline has been debunked. 15,000 children have been slaughtered by Israel over the past 6 months. The only reason to be defending Israel at this stage is because you are indifferent to or positively welcome the mass murder of brownskinned Muslims & their kids. I've been to several pro-Pali demos, one in London & several in Norwich, & the level of aggressive & threatening conduct was nothing like this: s

You sure about that? You think the pro-Palestine protests don't have the fascist far right too?

https://x.com/hearnimator/status/1791855770004308398

Neo-Nazi Holocaust denier Ken O’Keefe gives talks to white supremacists and supports ex-KKK leader David Duke

For decades he has been front and centre of the pro-Palestinian activist movement

In London he rants about Jews being satanic, greedy, killing Jesus & running the world

x.com

https://x.com/hearnimator/status/1791855770004308398

HectortheHelicopter · 29/05/2024 19:59

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Correction: Finchley counter-protesters.

Mummy2024 · 29/05/2024 23:00

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 26/05/2024 11:11

@Mummy2024

First you said stop politicizing war.

Next that Jews don't get to define AS.

Then that AS isn't relevant because it's a political issue!?

You've repeatedly told Jews what AS is - so you clearly think that YOU get to decide what AS is.

I agree with @79Helene that you THINK you're being accused of AS for criticising Israel when you're actually not.

You haven't been misunderstood.

Claiming discrimination when Jews disagree with you on this issue is another classic AS trope & very DARVO.

You haven't been labelled - you started a disagreement on the Internet. People disagreeing with you is not intimidation.

I will take some of your assertions at face value. No one wants war. Are your family & friends on the frontline? Are your friends' kids being killed? All loss of life is tragic. We are all scared & angry.

As much as I loathe BN, I agree that: if Hamas (& all Jew haters) put down their weapons, there would be no war. If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel...& no Jews & it won't stop there.

I felt I had to reply to this one because, your wrong on nearly all counts.

Yes I did say that war should not be politicised and what I meant by that is, that in this country the war in palastine shouldn't be used as a political football, made left and right leaning to gain support. There is immeasurable death and suffering on both sides, its shouldnt be used for uk political purposes. That is not antisemitic.

With regards to the next comment, I did say that and it was very badly worded. What I meant by it was that Jewish groups and leaders have already decided what constitutes antisemitism (which I explained) and I agree whole heartily and abide by that definition. I said that no one myself included can just decide that an opinion is antisemitic and what isnt. This is probably the only thing you've said that I'm actually guilty of even if it was unintentional and clumsy, I'm not sure I would consider it antisemitic given that I have fully accepted the adopted definition, and nothing i have said has gone against that definition but i do now feel i wouldnt say it again, as it can be misconstrued as saying Jewish people as a whole can't decide what is considered antisemitic, and it has been. However i was being unfairly being called antisemitic before this comment, which is what lead to it, so yes I was being labelled for my disagreement with Isreali government tactics.

I want to make absolutely clear at no point have I said anywhere that antisemitism is not a political issue, so this one is just made up or misconstrued who knows.

Lastly i am well within my rights to claim discrimination when I am falsely labelled. Disagreeing with me is fine, falsely labelling me to shut down criticism of decisions made by a government is not. I am the victim being labelled unfairly. I haven't said one single thing that constitutes antisemitism on the official adopted definition and I'm sorry but feeling victimised by multiple individual people and saying so, isn't antisemitic.

I don't agree that if there were a cease fire there would be no Israel and no Jews. Israel is an incredibly well protected and well supported country. Britain and the US would never allow that to happen and rightly so. Whilst I may not agree with the tactics being used in palastine, I do believe the state of Israel has a right to exist and that we should intervene if that does become at risk. That said I also think palastine has the right to exist also and that peace is long over due.

I won't be responding to any reply but given the change of narrative of your post, changing the reasoning behind my false labelling and again wrongly labelling me it was difficult not to defend myself. I've said my piece now though so won't be back.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 29/05/2024 23:33

@Mummy2024

My points were taken from your posts, which you freely admit were indeed the words you used.

You're trying to make this personal to me but I'm actually one of the posters on this thread that has engaged with you the least.

You started a conversation with me - complaining about Jews speaking out, no less! It's there in black & white. People can read for themselves what you have written.

I have not labelled you in a single post.

You came back to scramble for damage limitation because you've perhaps realised some of your mistakes...

Flounce flounce flounce

Mummy2024 · 30/05/2024 03:22

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 29/05/2024 23:33

@Mummy2024

My points were taken from your posts, which you freely admit were indeed the words you used.

You're trying to make this personal to me but I'm actually one of the posters on this thread that has engaged with you the least.

You started a conversation with me - complaining about Jews speaking out, no less! It's there in black & white. People can read for themselves what you have written.

I have not labelled you in a single post.

You came back to scramble for damage limitation because you've perhaps realised some of your mistakes...

Flounce flounce flounce

Why are you stereotyping? You claim I am talking about the group as whole? When have I ever said that? and when have I complained about anyone speaking out? I've complained about being unfairly labelled... there's a difference. You are stereotyping and then putting that onto me, I have not done that. I speak about individuals who choose to unfairly label and you are one of those people.

I made 1 mistake only one and even that was not antisemitic. It was a badly worded comment and even that had an explanation that i accepted the formal definition that was decided by Jewish groups and leaders. I've been treated terribly for caring about innocent women and children, I've been unfairly labelled on numerous posts by numerous individuals but that is what they are individuals, with individual opinions, faith does not come into it, so please do stop trying to paint a false narrative about me.

My opinion on what is happening in palastine hasn't changed.... and there are countless countries, people and world leaders who all feel the same. I don't accept the label you've tried to give to me or your view of my words. I am the most inclusive and accepting person you will likely ever talk to. Everyone has the right to a free and happy life. I don't know why I am letting individuals, upset me to be honest. It's time to walk away from this conversation.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 30/05/2024 08:46

@Mummy2024

What you say is not true & people can read that for themselves.

You've clearly got yourself wound up & are unable to read / think properly.

I don't care what your opinions are.

And I don't know why you ever started talking to me, then singling me out in the first place!

So bizarre.

Please do walk away & stay away from me.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 30/05/2024 08:48

And for the benefit of others

@HectortheHelicopter was rehashing the blood libel

HectortheHelicopter · 30/05/2024 11:01

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HectortheHelicopter · 30/05/2024 11:07

I guess SAVE THE CHILDREN are AS now: 'RAMALLAH, 4 April 2024 – Nearly 26,000 children – or just over two percent of Gaza’s child population - have been killed or injured in Gaza in six months of a war which has decimated the health system and severed access to education, Save the Children said.
Since the 7 October attacks in which 33 children were killed in Israel, more than 13,800 children have been killed in Gaza and 113 in the West Bank, and over 12,009 children have been injured in Gaza and at least 725 children in the West Bank, according to the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the Ministry of Health in Gaza. UNICEF has reported at least 1,000 children have had one or both legs amputated, and about 30 out of 36 hospitals have been bombed, leaving only 10 partially functioning.
Attacks on ambulances, medical aid convoys and access roads have decimated Gaza’s health system and undermined access to healthcare at the time when the 1.1 million children in Gaza need it most.'

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #148

Access impediments have severely compromised the ability of humanitarian actors to reach people in need across the Gaza Strip.

https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ochaopt.org%2Fcontent%2Fhostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-148&data=05%7C02%7CF.Carr%40savethechildren.org.uk%7Ca4681b77774743fb7a6108dc54c6ab0b%7C8ea28934d20d47eeaa20b96d5ea33f70%7C0%7C0%7C638478459516924233%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ukJ299hREOkYONpp14%2BR6oYcQZHq8EUdFzlroKB9j%2BA%3D&reserved=0

HectortheHelicopter · 30/05/2024 11:18

Figures on casualties since 2008, excluding post- October 7th. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties TLDR: 1560 Palestinians kids,632 women, 4700 men; 26 Israeli kids, 42 women, 258 men. Israel kills far, far more Palestinians, including civilians, during 'peacetime' too. It's not a 'blood libel', it's numbercrunching. Perhaps the Zionists on this site can explain why the 'good guys' are so much more reckless than, say, Putin ( 500 Ukrainian children dead over 2 years) when it comes to treating children as collateral damage. Israel are currently killing civilians are roughly 1/6 the rate that Pol Pot exterminated Cambodians. Again, they're the numbers, not some AS trope. But the Zionists don't want to deal with the reality, they want to shut down debate.

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Data on casualties

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https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

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