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Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:07

Give the jewish and Israeli lobbies an inch and they've demonstrated they'll take a mile every time

Oh do give us an example then.

What's the Jewish lobby by the way?

Auvergne63 · 21/05/2024 18:14

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:07

Give the jewish and Israeli lobbies an inch and they've demonstrated they'll take a mile every time

Oh do give us an example then.

What's the Jewish lobby by the way?

I suggest you read this.
The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context | openDemocracy

Lamelie · 21/05/2024 18:14

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Wtf?

Humdingerydoo · 21/05/2024 18:25

Auvergne63 · 21/05/2024 18:14

If you think the poster didn't say anything wrong, I suggest you do a bit of research into what is and isn't anti-Semitic. Surely even you can agree that it isn't ok for them to be saying "the Jewish lobby" ie Jews can't be trusted to correctly identify antisemitism, and give them an inch and they'll take a mile??? It's pure antisemitism. Nothing to do with Israel. Nothing to do with the current war. The poster was plainly being anti-Semitic.

keenforhelp · 21/05/2024 18:26

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Wow - one of the most anti-Semitic comments ever on MN and on a thread about protecting the Jewish Community re the marches.

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Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:26

Very odd that you can't form your own opinion on what he said about anti semitism purely because of what you think of him

What are your views on it?

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:29

Because if I heard someone I didn't like or respect say

Islamophobia is wrong....I'd agree with them. I wouldn't need it to be said by someone I did like and respect for it to be true

EasternStandard · 21/05/2024 18:32

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Another wtf to this

AdamRyan · 21/05/2024 18:37

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:26

Very odd that you can't form your own opinion on what he said about anti semitism purely because of what you think of him

What are your views on it?

My view on it is the Conservative government are cynically using the Israel/Gaza war to play culture wars and inflame division, in an attempt to be re-elected. We have seen ample examples (Braverman/Sue Hall/Lee Anderson, now this).

My view is they are also attempting to undermine democratic rights (e.g. right to protest) to make it easier to shut down dissent against them. Hence reporting this on the day the court found their protest laws to be illegal.

And my view is they are using the very real concerns/fear about antisemitism cynically so some people will act as "useful idiots" and spread the division further not realising they are being manipulated.

I hate them and I hate it.

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:41

AdamRyan · 21/05/2024 18:37

My view on it is the Conservative government are cynically using the Israel/Gaza war to play culture wars and inflame division, in an attempt to be re-elected. We have seen ample examples (Braverman/Sue Hall/Lee Anderson, now this).

My view is they are also attempting to undermine democratic rights (e.g. right to protest) to make it easier to shut down dissent against them. Hence reporting this on the day the court found their protest laws to be illegal.

And my view is they are using the very real concerns/fear about antisemitism cynically so some people will act as "useful idiots" and spread the division further not realising they are being manipulated.

I hate them and I hate it.

Fair play for answering in detail

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 18:49

However, I feel strongly that anti semitism is currently a huge problem and getting progressively worse. You may be suspicious of the governments motivation but they do have a responsibility to keep people of all faiths/ethnicities safe. I'd be horrified if they actually turned a blind eye to this issue.

muggart · 21/05/2024 18:57

Quite funny that my post saying that antisemitism accusations are overused to shut down dissent was reported as antisemitic and deleted- the irony is not lost 😂

Humdingerydoo · 21/05/2024 19:01

muggart · 21/05/2024 18:57

Quite funny that my post saying that antisemitism accusations are overused to shut down dissent was reported as antisemitic and deleted- the irony is not lost 😂

No irony, you were just being anti-Semitic while pretending not to be. Would you like to learn where you went wrong so you don't make anti-Semitic comments again in the future?

EasternStandard · 21/05/2024 19:03

muggart · 21/05/2024 18:57

Quite funny that my post saying that antisemitism accusations are overused to shut down dissent was reported as antisemitic and deleted- the irony is not lost 😂

I agree with pp maybe reflect rather than cry laughing about that type of stuff you posted

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 19:06

muggart · 21/05/2024 18:57

Quite funny that my post saying that antisemitism accusations are overused to shut down dissent was reported as antisemitic and deleted- the irony is not lost 😂

Absolutely hilarious 🙄

A bit of self reflection wouldn't go amiss

gingergran · 21/05/2024 19:14

I am Jewish and I am scared to go into central London at the weekend. I am not a Tory voter and hate to support the present government but Michael Gove is right. It is not a good time to be a Jew in the UK

Comedycook · 21/05/2024 19:16

gingergran · 21/05/2024 19:14

I am Jewish and I am scared to go into central London at the weekend. I am not a Tory voter and hate to support the present government but Michael Gove is right. It is not a good time to be a Jew in the UK

Yes, whether you like the government or not is irrelevant. They need to tackle this issue. We're not imagining it. We're not over sensitive. Anti semitism is real.

gingergran · 21/05/2024 19:21

@Comedycook I completely agree with you.

Lonelycrab · 21/05/2024 19:29

@IbisDancer is bang on here and I urge all posters to reread her post as to the true motivation behind this response from a frankly awful, addled excuse for a politician. It’s exactly how it is.

79Helene · 21/05/2024 19:35

Humdingerydoo · 21/05/2024 18:25

If you think the poster didn't say anything wrong, I suggest you do a bit of research into what is and isn't anti-Semitic. Surely even you can agree that it isn't ok for them to be saying "the Jewish lobby" ie Jews can't be trusted to correctly identify antisemitism, and give them an inch and they'll take a mile??? It's pure antisemitism. Nothing to do with Israel. Nothing to do with the current war. The poster was plainly being anti-Semitic.

It's always the ones you least expect to turn up and defend blatant Jew-hatred.

Ategnatos · 21/05/2024 19:44

muggart · 21/05/2024 18:57

Quite funny that my post saying that antisemitism accusations are overused to shut down dissent was reported as antisemitic and deleted- the irony is not lost 😂

No, nothing funny about anti-Semitism.

ginoclocksomewhere · 21/05/2024 19:47

I'm much more inclined to believe the Jewish holocaust survivor who spoke AT ONE OF THE RALLIES against Israel and people claiming that standing against this genocide is antisemitism. Funny how Gove et. Al forget about the Jewish people that attend them.

Humdingerydoo · 21/05/2024 19:50

ginoclocksomewhere · 21/05/2024 19:47

I'm much more inclined to believe the Jewish holocaust survivor who spoke AT ONE OF THE RALLIES against Israel and people claiming that standing against this genocide is antisemitism. Funny how Gove et. Al forget about the Jewish people that attend them.

What about other Holocaust survivors who say the exact opposite? That the marches are causing an increase in antisemitism. You aren't inclined to believe them?

Good little case of confirmation bias going on there.

Muthaofcats · 21/05/2024 19:56

If you’ve come on here to immediately discredit his message, pause, ask yourself why?

why is what he said offensive to you?

unless….

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