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anotherlevel · 07/07/2024 12:18

ConnieCounter · 06/07/2024 20:35

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ng04kpv2do.amp

Another atrocity. Horrendous videos on social media of very badly injured children receiving medical treatment on the floor of a hospital. Awful.

Gosh that's just awful. I don't know what to say. :(

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

ConnieCounter · 07/07/2024 12:52

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

I mean Israel has killed people who tried to access aid so it's not as though the IDF is above this level of savagery.

poshsnobtwit · 07/07/2024 12:56

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

Did you see what Otzma Yehudit sanction for "traitors?". ETA: the state of Israel are backing them, and their soldiers standing by whilst they terrorize Palestinians.

Auvergne63 · 07/07/2024 14:17

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

We all know what Hamas are capable of. This does not surprise me and it is despicable.
What the Israeli government has been, deliberately and relentlessly, doing for 9 months to the Palestinians is equally despicable.
The Palestinians have the right to a state. I am glad that more and more countries are recognizing this.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 15:03

poshsnobtwit · 07/07/2024 12:56

Did you see what Otzma Yehudit sanction for "traitors?". ETA: the state of Israel are backing them, and their soldiers standing by whilst they terrorize Palestinians.

Edited

What do you mean, please?

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 15:07

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

It certainly is brutal.

Was this for accessing aid, or for stealing it for the black market?

Does anyone reading here know Arabic? What is the Arabic being written with green spray paint on their backs?

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 15:12

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 15:07

It certainly is brutal.

Was this for accessing aid, or for stealing it for the black market?

Does anyone reading here know Arabic? What is the Arabic being written with green spray paint on their backs?

I’ve just found out from The Jerusalem post that the green writing means “Thief”.

It looks like a vicious form of justice.

Factsareimportantplease · 07/07/2024 15:26

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

They are probably trying to get aid for their families and Hamas beat them. Hamas are good for nobody just evil, cowardly scum

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 16:06

Factsareimportantplease · 07/07/2024 15:26

They are probably trying to get aid for their families and Hamas beat them. Hamas are good for nobody just evil, cowardly scum

This BBC report from June gives an idea of the general complete lawlessness.

Excerpt ( my bolding).

They blame growing lawlessness for making it too dangerous to pick up and move goods.

“The looting has become quite profound,” says Georgios Petropoulos, head of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Gaza. He estimates that last Tuesday, three-quarters of the goods on board lorries entering from the crossing were stolen.

UN officials say the vehicles are systematically attacked and stopped by armed gangs, particularly those smuggling cigarettes, which are sold on the black market in Gaza for exorbitant amounts. Lorries bringing fuel into Gaza have also recently been targeted.

As Israel’s military offensive has removed Gaza’s Hamas government, there is no plan for how to fill the power vacuum. There are few police officers left working in the Palestinian territory. It is not clear if organised crime cartels are affiliated to Hamas or Gazan clans.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22ymmp46ro

Sacks of rice are seen waiting to cross into Gaza

Gaza aid depot where food waits as Israel and UN trade blame

BBC sees hundreds of pallets of food sitting in the sun, just miles from starving Palestinians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22ymmp46ro

poshsnobtwit · 07/07/2024 16:55

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 15:03

What do you mean, please?

Ben-Ari (co founder) is known as a provocateur who has called left-wing NGOs “traitors that must be oppressed at any cost,” “internal bacteria” and “enemies of Israel.”

^This was taken from the link that I shared upthread. This party make it their business to terrorize Palestinians in the WB, set fire to their land, stage 'terrorist attacks' by Palestinians, and imprison Israeli 'traitors' who try to report/document their doings. The IDF stand back and watch them abusing Palestinians, so this is state sponsored terrorism. A pp had said Palestinians shouldn't have a state because of Hamas, so do they think the same about Israel?

Scirocco · 07/07/2024 17:03

@ScrollingLeaves law and order have pretty much completely broken down, leaving a vacuum for gangs to fight over scraps of power and where people are desperately struggling to keep their loved ones alive. This should have been preventable, but people didn't care enough about ordinary civilians in Gaza to actually put in place contingency plans and a strategy to mitigate this.

Finallyloggedin · 07/07/2024 18:40

https://x.com/beckettunite/status/1809941114725810655?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“lsrael 🇮🇱 murdered 5 journalists in one day across Gaza City 🇵🇸 and Al-Nuseirat:

• Saadi Madhuk
• Adeeb Sukkar
• Amjad Al-Jahjouh
• Wafaa Abu Daba'n
• Rizq Abu Shakian

Israel has murdered 158 journalists since Oct 7th.

Murdered for telling the world of a genocide.”

x.com

https://x.com/beckettunite/status/1809941114725810655?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 18:41

Thank you for that.

In November, members of the women-only “spotters” unit deployed at two points along the Gaza perimeter said they had tried to warn their superiors on numerous occasions about unusual activity along the border fence before Hamas’s attack, but had been ignored. Fifteen spotters were killed on 7 October and another six taken hostage

The six IDF spotters taken hostage were the young women shown in the Hamas camcorder video of them being captured. They are particularly vulnerable.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 18:44

Finallyloggedin · 07/07/2024 18:40

https://x.com/beckettunite/status/1809941114725810655?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“lsrael 🇮🇱 murdered 5 journalists in one day across Gaza City 🇵🇸 and Al-Nuseirat:

• Saadi Madhuk
• Adeeb Sukkar
• Amjad Al-Jahjouh
• Wafaa Abu Daba'n
• Rizq Abu Shakian

Israel has murdered 158 journalists since Oct 7th.

Murdered for telling the world of a genocide.”

IDF Omerta.

Kindatired · 07/07/2024 19:54

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 12:41

Here's what Hamas does to their people if they seek out aid. Those lovely freedom fighters let's give them a state.

Where is the outrage

The lack of an effective policing force is contributing significantly to food distribution problems. There’s apparently a lot of anger against Hamas at the moment. The guys that were getting beaten up looked young and fit-so it’s likely that this is a cynical show of strength to shore up support for its operations.Anyone remember “kangaroo courts”?
Two wrongs=two wrongs, not a right.
Hamas are terrorists. They’re competing with vigilantes and rival terrorist groups. Probably hoping this video is being watched by people who have nothing to eat because of the distribution problems. Keep reposting if you want to help them
How does your post relate to a thread that is highlighting how the IDF, which has such technological excellence and intelligence, is prepared to accept such a high level of civilian death and injury to achieve effectively nothing significant ?

anotherlevel · 08/07/2024 00:20

Israel army used the Hannibal directive during the attack on Oct 7.

www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/07/israel-idf-hannibal-protocol-hamas-attack-haaretz

aje.io/fc5ny1

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 09:46

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

The Lancet estimates the Gaza death toll could be 186,000 or even higher. Peer reviewed paper.

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 09:56

@anotherlevel I’m so glad that finally the Hannibal directive is being reported in the UK. It has been hushed for so long. I wonder what number of Israelis were actually, tragically, killed by ‘friendly fire’.

For the avoidance of doubt - I am not trying to suggest that Hamas didn’t commit many awful atrocities and heinous war crimes on October 7th, the evidence is clear that they did.

Auvergne63 · 08/07/2024 10:08

anotherlevel · 08/07/2024 00:20

Glad you put this link. I had a strong feeling they did, having researched it.

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 10:10

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1810163070376759451?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“There’s no other way to stop this carnage in Gaza other than enforcing a ceasefire. Israel needs to be forced to”

Francesca Albanese

x.com

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1810163070376759451?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Factsareimportantplease · 08/07/2024 11:04

anotherlevel · 08/07/2024 00:20

"the operational procedure was used at three army facilities attacked by Hamas, potentially endangering civilians as well."

I imagine knowing what hamas might do to army members it used at army facilities. I cannot imagine how awful this instruction is with army personnel.