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This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...

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changefromhr · 23/02/2024 22:06

I know there are lots of pictures. I try to avoid looking as its just so awful but this one couldn't be avoided.

How sickening that the soldiers can smile and act so happy in front of all that destruction.

This is just another picture, from the thousands, that shows how the Palestinians and their lives and homes are seen as worthless.

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
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Scirocco · 04/03/2024 18:44

@Nanalisa60 and all of those are horrible things. Nobody has said that they aren't.

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:44

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:35

Do you have a proof of this ? Taking into account Israel hasn’t still provided the proofs of 7-10 accusations.
also thought Israel’s pm had been helping Hamas for years ? 🤔

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040603110926/www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/5_04/unrwa.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20040603110926/www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/5_04/unrwa.htm

I assume you won't trust the source as it has .co.il in it so feel free to use this as a basis for your own research. Just Google the names mentioned or something.

Terrorist organizations exploit UNRWA vehicles

Terrorist organizations exploit UNRWA vehicles: during the Israeli army operation in the Zeitun quarter of Gaza, UNWRA vehicles were used to smuggle armed terrorists out of the area and in all probability remains of Israeli soldiers as well

https://web.archive.org/web/20040603110926/http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/5_04/unrwa.htm

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:46

Anyway, back to the photo...

Comedycook · 04/03/2024 18:46

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:43

Syria 600k in 13 years. 19k in 5 months. Less than gaza

yazidi less than Gaza as well.
can’t find the timeframe for Nigeria. So again , the poster i was replying to was saying there were other conflicts with more deaths. Which in the same timeframe it’s not

Oh ok...so that's why thousands are taking to the streets over this conflict over any others.

Sure.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:48

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:44

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040603110926/www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/5_04/unrwa.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20040603110926/www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/5_04/unrwa.htm

I assume you won't trust the source as it has .co.il in it so feel free to use this as a basis for your own research. Just Google the names mentioned or something.

Has it been verified and confirmed by independent organisations?

Nanalisa60 · 04/03/2024 18:48

Scirocco

42 million in arms were bought not given.

THE value is the U.K. arms industry was about 8.5 billion last year
mostly to the Gulf states.

Or are you saying that Isreal is not a nation state and has not the wright to defend itself!!

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:50

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:48

Has it been verified and confirmed by independent organisations?

Don't know, why don't you do as I suggested and look into it? Unless, of course, it's not the truth you're after.

SpryAmberSeal · 04/03/2024 18:50

Nanalisa60 · 04/03/2024 18:40

EasterIssland
For example ? And in what time frame ?

Syrian civil war 613,407 as of March this year , Muslim on Muslim so that fine as it’s not the Jews defending themselves.

62,000 Nigerian Christian’s have been killed by the Muslim terrorist Boko Haram , no problem there as you can’t blame the Jews.

YAZIDI - 5000 killed 10,000 made into slaves by Isis , many girls rape. Made sex slave ,and burnt alive for refusing to convert to Islam.

This is really distasteful. It reads like you think what Israel is doing is appalling but you think they should be allowed to do it because other countries do appalling things too. We should be striving for everywhere to do better. Not sinking to the lowest common denominator. Feel free to object if this isn't what you mean of course.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:52

Nanalisa60 · 04/03/2024 18:48

Scirocco

42 million in arms were bought not given.

THE value is the U.K. arms industry was about 8.5 billion last year
mostly to the Gulf states.

Or are you saying that Isreal is not a nation state and has not the wright to defend itself!!

Right to defend itself
drive a tank over a person
shot at people that want to get aid
shot at people in a Christian church
block the food that goes into Gaza
Kill people carrying a white flag and talking in Hebrew

strange way to defend itself

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:53

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:50

Don't know, why don't you do as I suggested and look into it? Unless, of course, it's not the truth you're after.

I can’t even open your link

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
Scirocco · 04/03/2024 18:53

Nanalisa60 · 04/03/2024 18:48

Scirocco

42 million in arms were bought not given.

THE value is the U.K. arms industry was about 8.5 billion last year
mostly to the Gulf states.

Or are you saying that Isreal is not a nation state and has not the wright to defend itself!!

I'm saying I would prefer the UK government and arms industry weren't directly contributing to the killing of my friends and the destruction of a society that my friends and I shed blood, sweat and tears to try to protect.

Scirocco · 04/03/2024 18:56

I'm also saying that it says a lot about individuals and the culture in their organisation if they think that's the time and place for posing for selfies.

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:56

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:53

I can’t even open your link

Here are the screenshots. There are specific names mentioned, hopefully you can see them properly

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:58

Scirocco · 04/03/2024 18:56

I'm also saying that it says a lot about individuals and the culture in their organisation if they think that's the time and place for posing for selfies.

Do you not think it says more about young adults today in general? Unless you of course think taking selfies at highly inappropriate times and places is unique to Israelis.

Dulra · 04/03/2024 19:02

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:56

Here are the screenshots. There are specific names mentioned, hopefully you can see them properly

We know Israel are not happy with UNWRA and do not want them in Gaza, but they have completely failed to come up with an alternative and now we have children and babies dying from starvation, children having limbs amputated without anaesthetics. I could not care less who provides aid just that it is provided. There is currently an independent investigation into UNWRA and their alleged links to Hamas, nations listened to Israeli concerned and suspended aid, some thankfully have reinstated it because they are frustrated with the lack of evidence. Why are going over this ground again? I don't think anyone on here disagree that humanitarian aid is a must.

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 19:06

Dulra · 04/03/2024 19:02

We know Israel are not happy with UNWRA and do not want them in Gaza, but they have completely failed to come up with an alternative and now we have children and babies dying from starvation, children having limbs amputated without anaesthetics. I could not care less who provides aid just that it is provided. There is currently an independent investigation into UNWRA and their alleged links to Hamas, nations listened to Israeli concerned and suspended aid, some thankfully have reinstated it because they are frustrated with the lack of evidence. Why are going over this ground again? I don't think anyone on here disagree that humanitarian aid is a must.

I was only responding to a poster who seemed to think there was no link between UNRWA and Hamas. I pointed out there is and that it goes back at least 20 years. They agreed for proof and I've provided it. That's all.

I want Palestinians to receive however much aid they need. I've always been against the restrictions in aid to civilians. I mean, ideally I'd prefer for them not to need aid in the first place but that's obviously not the case.

Scirocco · 04/03/2024 19:11

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:58

Do you not think it says more about young adults today in general? Unless you of course think taking selfies at highly inappropriate times and places is unique to Israelis.

It says a lot about the individuals doing it. And I'm sure there are people of other nationalities who would do and do do similar, and I think that's pretty shitty behaviour on their part too.

It says a lot about the culture in which they're working that they consider that to be acceptable or at least not intolerable behaviour to carry out while wearing their organisation's uniform. When I and others put on the uniform of our employers, we are expected to conduct ourselves in a manner consistent with those organisations' stated values. The people posing for selfies against that backdrop are doing so as representatives of their organisation. What does it suggest about the values of that organisation that this is something they thought would be ok?

I may not be in the 18-25 age bracket any more, but of the people I know in that age bracket, I honestly can't envisage any of them doing this. This isn't a 'youth of today don't know any better' thing. And if it were, then I'd suggest we have a responsibility to rectify that because this cannot be allowed to become acceptable behaviour.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 19:12

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 18:58

Do you not think it says more about young adults today in general? Unless you of course think taking selfies at highly inappropriate times and places is unique to Israelis.

No of course they’re not the only ones doing it. That doesn’t mean though that it’s right in this scenario

ConnieCounter · 04/03/2024 19:19

It's still gross. A good few years ago I saw people taking selfies at Auschwitz and I was disgusted at them. Same vibe with this in that people have died there so it's always disrespectful to take zany photos on/of where they died (or in the case of Gaza, still lie).

And the fact that the idiots taking the selfie are part of the organisation that committed the genocide obviously makes it worse.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 19:22

Another pic of idf members thinking it’s funny to wear women’s clothes they’ve displaced / killed.

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 19:30

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 19:22

Another pic of idf members thinking it’s funny to wear women’s clothes they’ve displaced / killed.

I'm sorry but I highly doubt that's an accurate caption for the photo. If they were in a war zone they'd be wearing combat gear. I feel like you're (inadvertently?) spreading fake propaganda.

ConnieCounter · 04/03/2024 19:33

There's lots of examples of them rifling through, laughing at or wearing the underwear of Gazan women they've displaced or killed.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 19:34

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 19:30

I'm sorry but I highly doubt that's an accurate caption for the photo. If they were in a war zone they'd be wearing combat gear. I feel like you're (inadvertently?) spreading fake propaganda.

You might be right. I’ve seen so many pics of idf members with women underwear that this is just another one like them

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 19:34

ConnieCounter · 04/03/2024 19:33

There's lots of examples of them rifling through, laughing at or wearing the underwear of Gazan women they've displaced or killed.

So post those instead of fake propaganda.

Humdingerydoo · 04/03/2024 19:35

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 19:34

You might be right. I’ve seen so many pics of idf members with women underwear that this is just another one like them

So maybe delete your previous post then