This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...

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I know there are lots of pictures. I try to avoid looking as its just so awful but this one couldn't be avoided.

How sickening that the soldiers can smile and act so happy in front of all that destruction.

This is just another picture, from the thousands, that shows how the Palestinians and their lives and homes are seen as worthless.

Look at the background of that photo above , unless Hamas has taken to having bunting up I think those young lads may be In Israel.

You see, as an outsider, that's how I feel about these threads berating the random social media posts of an utterly traumatised nation.

Yes, Gaza is under attack and yes, the war is ghastly, and yes, innocent people are being killed.

But the total absence of acknowledgement that this is Israel's second Holocaust, I find deeply disturbing. Have you actually understood what happened on 7 October? Do you dismiss it as justified? Do you deny it all as Israeli propaganda, just an excuse to escalate things?

Of course. And then Israel killed 30 times that number of people including tens of thousands of civilians. Over 12000 children so far. Millions of people haven't had access to healthcare, water or adequate food in 5 months. They're dying of starvation now. They're trapped in Gaza. You gloss over these facts but this situation is ongoing. People are dying right now and have been since October.

To answer your series of bizarre and frankly offensive questions: yes, no, no.

I don’t understand how we are after all this time back to October 7th being used as justification for, I’m not entirely sure what to be honest. The Holocaust comparison is simply grim and inaccurate.

The Holocaust comparison is simply grim and inaccurate.

I disagree, sorry.

And I don't think this is a numbers game. I don't think you can measure insult and risk that way.

Measure insult? I'm sure the Palestinians would love to be insulted as opposed to murdered and starved.
You seem to be throwing around terms such as antisemitism and holocaust with little understanding of them. You still haven't answered my question to you earlier to explain why something was antisemitic? I tagged you in my question so you have most likely seen it.

The Holocaust was not about insult and risk it was about genocide.

Looking at their clothing and watches, I'm not convinced they're in a combat zone. There's script on the wall behind them but the picture isn't clear enough for me to distinguish what script it is. If someone could make it out, that could help clarify where they are likely to have been.

I think more context is needed for that picture. It could be young men who took women's underwear as trophies, which is horrible. It could also be young men being silly at a party. I think we need more information to make a judgement call there, and when people's faces are recognisable it's doubly important to do so.

Is there any additional context available for it?

@Scirocco it was @EasterIssland who shared the photo. I think it's blatant propaganda.

No. That’s the only thing that I’ve seen. Posted it as there are similar ones and a poster last week was asking as well why are we seeing so many of idf with women
underwear.

@EasterIssland , sorry, I quoted Humdingerydoo and should have tagged you- do you know if there's any additional context for that picture or any version with improved resolution? I was trying to make out the script in the background but can't get it clear enough...

Thanks @EasterIssland I'll see if I can find one online somewhere

@Scirocco there is a thread about this topic and just saw tht the pic I posted had an account on it. I believe this was the first person posting the picture

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1764647157208891649

OK well here are some real examples of IDF acting like idiots with the underwear of women they've displaced or murdered if the fake one is so offensive to you.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1757094979460067773?t=NrF_K3wfNxlA0MwI_0ierA&s=19

https://twitter.com/AAlSamarraay/status/1757108585085939861?t=FhwvhLeMDDdghU4W9O6f5g&s=19

Also here is what I found to be a quite fascinating article about how the IDF and some of its soldiers use social media. Could it be this strategy has backfired, with some soldiers focusing too much on social media, at the expense of not considering the wider consequences of what they are documenting? I found the glamourising of being a soldier, in the examples given, to be tacky and distasteful.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/israel-defense-force-idf-tiktok-thirst-trap-1174211/

Another article on the IDF and social media, which might help explain how within the culture of their own organisation soldiers don’t necessarily see the issue with their inappropriate posts. I tend to agree with the last couple of comments in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-the-social-media-battlefield-the-israeli-army-has-weaponized-snark/

Are you accusing me of antisemitism? Let me tell you a story.
During WW2, one of my great uncles helped Jewish people escape France. He risked his life and that of his family by doing so. When I asked him why he did it, he replied " I had to do it. Doing nothing wasn't an option."
My great aunt was a resistant, was arrested, tortured and sent to a concentration camp. My parents grew up under German occupation. They both spoke of their hunger and their fear of being killed.
Please, in future, refrain from these sorts of serious accusations.
Finally, when comparing the death tolls of various conflicts, you once again minimise what is happening in Gaza. Why?

Really? The death toll is higher because it lasted more than 5 months! This is simple math, but it appears that the majority of people aren't even aware of that fact or can't count.

@Auvergne63 "Finally, when comparing the death tolls of various conflicts, you once again minimise what is happening in Gaza. Why?"

Nothing I say will suit you so why do you keep demanding answers?

This is place to debate therefore questions are how you move a debate along.
Of course, you don't have to answer my questions but your silence is also an answer.
It is also revealing that you focused on one part of my post, ignoring the one where I answered your veiled accusation of antisemitism.

"Of course, you don't have to answer my questions but your silence is also an answer."

Whatever you say...

If you don't already understand why I might perceive your attitude as antisemitic, I'm afraid there's not much I can add that would explain it.

Re "insult", sorry, I work in a medical environment and was using the term in that sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insult_(medical)

@Dibilnik I believe @Dulra was asking how it was anti-semitic for me to object to my government supporting the IDF in killing my friends and colleagues.

Here, @Dibilnik and @Dulra .

It's the "people I care about" that is problematic, for me.

I understand, of course, that you take sides. But to object to this war is ultimately to deny the validity of Israel's response to the 2nd Holocaust, and I don't think anyone has the right to do that, "skin in the game" or not.