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Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

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Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 20:47

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 20:40

I don’t think anyone on this thread has denied the suffering of the people of Gaza. I would just ask that the Marches that demand a ceasefire from the Israeli government also condemn the Hamas atrocities and demand the release of the remaining Israeli hostages .
Why is this position anti Palestinian or Sociopathic …. ?

I never said that position was sociopathic

but re your question, I could ask why the March against antisemitism a few weeks back didn’t call for the end to the occupation and for self determination for the Palestinian people ?

stomachameleon · 30/12/2023 20:49

@Limeandsodaontherocks think I feel the same as you.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 20:51

Coyoacan · 30/12/2023 20:32

I do think that “soulless Zionists” is straight out of the Russian pogrom/Nazi propaganda/Protocols of the Elders of Zion playbook

Another person who thinks that anyone who opposes the genocide is doing it out of hatred for another group of people.

If you are going to use "soulless Zionist" in a post then don't expect other not to think you are a into that stuff

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 20:51

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 20:47

I never said that position was sociopathic

but re your question, I could ask why the March against antisemitism a few weeks back didn’t call for the end to the occupation and for self determination for the Palestinian people ?

i Don’t think that March intimidated anyone… ?

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 20:52

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 20:46

Searching for what because you are searching the Internet for more than fucks obviously

To prove Jewish people make up antisemitism?

To make a point you are right and Israel is the cause of all evils towards Jewish people at the moment?

You do realise antisemitism has existed for longer than the Jewish state. That even when Israel is not involved Jewish people in this country have to put up with crap from pretty much the same type of people that are having fun ramping things up a few levels now. I seriously have no idea what you are try to prove here and it is very distasteful if it is the good/bad jew thing. Just a warning that is going to go down like the titanic.

Edited

I don’t even understand half of what you write anymore, it borders on incoherent.

and me “not giving any fucks” was in reference to you rolling your eyes. I think I’ll start rolling mine now.

25milesfromhome · 30/12/2023 20:59

Coyoacan · 30/12/2023 20:32

I do think that “soulless Zionists” is straight out of the Russian pogrom/Nazi propaganda/Protocols of the Elders of Zion playbook

Another person who thinks that anyone who opposes the genocide is doing it out of hatred for another group of people.

No, not anyone, just you.
Using an antisemitic dogwhistle is a choice that has nothing to do with opposing genocide and everything to do with a specific hatred for a specific group of people.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:02

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 20:52

I don’t even understand half of what you write anymore, it borders on incoherent.

and me “not giving any fucks” was in reference to you rolling your eyes. I think I’ll start rolling mine now.

You mean I have hit the nail on the head of how you find these things and why.

You are literally just searching the Internet at this point that Jewish people are making up antisemitism or it is all because of Israel etc

Good jew/bad jew it doesn't actually matter what people like you think about us. However if you go out of your way to search for things to try and prove we are not experiencing hate crimes or that if we are it is the fault of other Jews, then you have a serious problem

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:05

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 20:51

i Don’t think that March intimidated anyone… ?

When I saw the pictures of the march with all the flags of Israel flying high, I certainly would have felt unsafe being in that area. But I believe in freedom of speech for everyone even those whose views that make me feel uncomfortable. Yes there will have been people no doubt on the anti Semitic march who have extreme beliefs as well as more moderate voices but again I prefer not to tarnish everyone with the same brush.

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:07

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:02

You mean I have hit the nail on the head of how you find these things and why.

You are literally just searching the Internet at this point that Jewish people are making up antisemitism or it is all because of Israel etc

Good jew/bad jew it doesn't actually matter what people like you think about us. However if you go out of your way to search for things to try and prove we are not experiencing hate crimes or that if we are it is the fault of other Jews, then you have a serious problem

I wouldn’t engage with desertroseany more. He/she has no desire to do anything other than provoke , offend and insult.
If this is an example of the attitude of the marchers then I’m very glad i decided never to join them.
Some of the posters on here are shooting themselves in the foot by demonstrating the antisemitism they deny .

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:08

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 20:51

i Don’t think that March intimidated anyone… ?

Poster seems to not understand the difference between a march calling for the end to anti Jewish racism in this country and a political protest about something happening abroad that doesn't even bother to call out both sides or even mention the hostages still not released.

I mean if they said why not Islamophobia as well as antisemitism they would at least had some kind of argument. Though Islamophobia was spoken about my Eddie Marsan etc in the speeches. Therefore it was made sure that was included.

Anyway just another joker it seems

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:09

BigFrau · 30/12/2023 18:59

Did you ask them? Engage with them? Find out about their purpose, their approach, their reasoning?

Or just judge?

I would ask the very same question to those that are against the Palestine marches.

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:10

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:05

When I saw the pictures of the march with all the flags of Israel flying high, I certainly would have felt unsafe being in that area. But I believe in freedom of speech for everyone even those whose views that make me feel uncomfortable. Yes there will have been people no doubt on the anti Semitic march who have extreme beliefs as well as more moderate voices but again I prefer not to tarnish everyone with the same brush.

You didn’t agree that the pro Palestinian March was intimidating but you found this one anti - semitism March made you feel unsafe ?

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:12

If people feel unsafe i can't argue with that. that's how they feel. But then trying to ban them and tarnish them is the bit I disagree with.

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:12

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:09

I would ask the very same question to those that are against the Palestine marches.

I have spoken to the people on the pro Palestinian marches. The ones I spoke to were very one sided and simplistic . In one or two cases they were actually very ignorant about the situation

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:14

QueenRania · 30/12/2023 21:09

I would ask the very same question to those that are against the Palestine marches.

Plenty of videos on YouTube or twitter of people doing that

A variety of responses from the people being questioned. Some videos have even made it to the media because of the responses

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:15

I’m coming off this now.
There are some very thoughtful pro Palestinian posters ( Parkingt1) but there are too many gas lighting anti semites for my peace of mind .

25milesfromhome · 30/12/2023 21:30

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:15

I’m coming off this now.
There are some very thoughtful pro Palestinian posters ( Parkingt1) but there are too many gas lighting anti semites for my peace of mind .

there are too many gas lighting anti semites

Too many choosing to congregate around threads concerning antisemitism and Jews, say deliberately offensive, antisemitic things and then behave as if they’re some sort of oppressed, persecuted group, courageously speaking out against those who are silencing them by “weaponising antisemitism”.

Thereissomelight · 30/12/2023 21:39

plusjamais · 30/12/2023 20:30

Same. I can see we're going down the 'good Jew bad Jew' road again.

I see this term being used on MN now whenever anyone tries to criticise Israel.
By this, do you mean that all Jews are good? Every single one of them? So not one can ever be criticised for anything?

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 21:42

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:02

You mean I have hit the nail on the head of how you find these things and why.

You are literally just searching the Internet at this point that Jewish people are making up antisemitism or it is all because of Israel etc

Good jew/bad jew it doesn't actually matter what people like you think about us. However if you go out of your way to search for things to try and prove we are not experiencing hate crimes or that if we are it is the fault of other Jews, then you have a serious problem

Get over yourself. I am not going out of my way to search for anything.
yet again you are twisting something a poster is saying to suit your own narrative and agenda @Trulywonderful and you’re doing it on thread after thread. It’s so transparent by now it’s almost a joke.

Thereissomelight · 30/12/2023 21:43

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 20:40

I don’t think anyone on this thread has denied the suffering of the people of Gaza. I would just ask that the Marches that demand a ceasefire from the Israeli government also condemn the Hamas atrocities and demand the release of the remaining Israeli hostages .
Why is this position anti Palestinian or Sociopathic …. ?

The ceasefire marches in the US and the UK are asking the US and UK governments to stop militarily supporting the bombing of children in Gaza. The US and UK governments are not controlling Hamas or holding Israelis hostage so why would the UK and US ceasefire marchers demand hostage release?

plusjamais · 30/12/2023 21:43

Thereissomelight · 30/12/2023 21:39

I see this term being used on MN now whenever anyone tries to criticise Israel.
By this, do you mean that all Jews are good? Every single one of them? So not one can ever be criticised for anything?

Oh come on! Surely you're not being serious?

Thereissomelight · 30/12/2023 21:44

Why is this term being used so much in the past couple of days then? What does it mean?

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 21:52

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:07

I wouldn’t engage with desertroseany more. He/she has no desire to do anything other than provoke , offend and insult.
If this is an example of the attitude of the marchers then I’m very glad i decided never to join them.
Some of the posters on here are shooting themselves in the foot by demonstrating the antisemitism they deny .

Edited

that isn’t true. I am just sick to death of every single thread being hijacked by certain posters who derail, gang up on people and label anyone with an opposing view an antisemite.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 21:56

Desertrose2023 · 30/12/2023 21:42

Get over yourself. I am not going out of my way to search for anything.
yet again you are twisting something a poster is saying to suit your own narrative and agenda @Trulywonderful and you’re doing it on thread after thread. It’s so transparent by now it’s almost a joke.

My narrative of asking posters questions about out their posts mean. Then if they don't answer the questions having to just analyse the posts they make and coming to a conclusion based on the evidence of what they are posting. Yes you are right I do that. Have been doing that for years on here, pretty much seen all kinds of posters. Therefore I am very good at working out what most are users are about and what makes them tick. I am Truly Wonderful after all.

I actually don't have an agenda though. I just post when and where feels right for my mood. Currently it is on antisemitism type threads and mostly ones about sexual abuse victims or the pogrom itself. I am hurting a lot from the Jew hate you see. I think a lot of people are very greatful I don't bother with the main conflict threads. I mean could you imagine how that would go. The people that know me from covid could tell you a thing or two about Truly on those covid threads!

TriOptimim · 30/12/2023 21:57

Limeandsodaontherocks · 30/12/2023 21:10

You didn’t agree that the pro Palestinian March was intimidating but you found this one anti - semitism March made you feel unsafe ?

What precisely is it about a march against anti-Semitism that makes you feel unsafe? What do you think might happen to you?

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